ASSRA Forum - Some single shots back in the day.

ASSRA Forum › General › Rifle Photos › Some single shots back in the day.

(Moderator Group: Moderator)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: [1]

Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies)

Some single shots back in the day. (Read 71904 times)

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Some single shots back in the day. Jun 7^th, 2020 at 12:49am	Print Post
	Sharps seemed quite popular.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #1 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 12:57am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #2 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 12:59am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #3 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:00am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #4 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:01am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #5 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:02am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #6 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:04am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #7 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:07am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #8 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:08am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #9 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:09am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #10 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 1:10am	Print Post
	another


	IP Logged

CharleHunter Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2019	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #11 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 2:48am	Print Post
	What a great collection of pictures thanks for posting


	IP Logged

jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1234 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 8:02am	Print Post
	Pretty rough looking bunch but they knew their hardware......... JMH


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 8:36am	Print Post
	I presume that Bill Cody's rolling block in picture two and in the one of his Scouts of the Plains stage troupe is the famous Lucretia Borgia before it got broken up. Also, I'm pretty sure that the man in the last photo is Jim Bridger, sans Hawken. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 11:43am	Print Post
	And a Frank Wesson 2-Trigger!


	IP Logged

Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #15 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	most have seen this one before, but of you haven't.....

	WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. Let's Go Sonny!
	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #16 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	The guy in back on the right has a short barreled rifle that almost looks like it has a bayonet lug on it.


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #17 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 5:06pm	Print Post
	Here are a couple (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #18 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	This last picture hangs in the clubhouse of the New Braunfels schuetzen verein. It is Mr. Uhl and Gus Heye of the San Antonio Schuetzen verein. I always thought they looked enough alike to be brothers.

	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #19 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	The seventh picture up from the last one here is appreciated not just because the lady is very pretty but because I can't remember seeing a Zimmerstutzen in a photo before. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #20 - Jun 7^th, 2020 at 11:15pm	Print Post
	I think that is Jim Clyman, not Jim Bridger. Lee Gibbs


	IP Logged

John Rigby Full Member Offline Posts: 200 Location: Midwest Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #21 - Jun 10^th, 2020 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	I believe #5 is Jim White one of the greatest buff runners. He developed the stand method. He taught the Mooar brothers who made buff hunting an industry. No. 7 appears to be a military sharps "sporterized".

	John Rigby
	IP Logged

JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #22 - Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 8:36am: I presume that Bill Cody's rolling block in picture two and in the one of his Scouts of the Plains stage troupe is the famous Lucretia Borgia before it got broken up. Also, I'm pretty sure that the man in the last photo is Jim Bridger, sans Hawken. Bill Lawrence I may be wrong but I thought that Lucretia Borgia was a trapdoor Springfield. The remaining part is in the Cody museum but it was several years ago I was there and I don't remember looking at it in detail. JS


	IP Logged

flint45 Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Nov 18^th, 2018	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #23 - Jun 14^th, 2020 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	The first two guys look like dandys. High fashion of the day ha ha.Buy great old photos I wouldn't want to cross any of those old guys at the end of the photos .


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #24 - Jun 14^th, 2020 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	JS47 is exactly right. That is, I meant to write "trapdoor", which is what the rifle is and also what the photo shows, but somehow it came out "rolling block" and I didn't even catch it. Let's chalk it up to yet another Old Age Brain Fart. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

ndnchf Oldtimer Offline Posts: 986 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #25 - Jun 15^th, 2020 at 8:54am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 8:11pm: JS47 is exactly right. That is, I meant to write "trapdoor", which is what the rifle is and also what the photo shows, but somehow it came out "rolling block" and I didn't even catch it. Let's chalk it up to yet another Old Age Brain Fart. Bill Lawrence If I recall correctly, it was a model 1866 in 50-70.


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #26 - Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 8:11pm: JS47 is exactly right. That is, I meant to write "trapdoor", which is what the rifle is and also what the photo shows, but somehow it came out "rolling block" and I didn't even catch it. Let's chalk it up to yet another Old Age Brain Fart. Bill Lawrence Sorry I do not see a "Trapdoor" in That photo, only a Rolling Block

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #27 - Jun 15^th, 2020 at 10:03pm	Print Post
	I swear this pandemic has all but made me brain dead. Yes, Lucretia Borgia was/is a .50-70 trapdoor. Yes, the first photo shows a rolling block. Perhaps the military form of both rifles was what confused me, but that's still hardly an even remotely acceptable excuse. SIGH! Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 262 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #28 - Jun 15^th, 2020 at 10:49pm	Print Post
	an f grade rolling block long range with rigby flats,, i want that gun!!


	IP Logged

JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #29 - Jun 16^th, 2020 at 12:42am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 10:03pm: I swear this pandemic has all but made me brain dead. Yes, Lucretia Borgia was/is a .50-70 trapdoor. Yes, the first photo shows a rolling block. Perhaps the military form of both rifles was what confused me, but that's still hardly an even remotely acceptable excuse. SIGH! Bill Lawrence If it's any consolation it helps my self esteem to know that some one else goes brain dead too. The Rolling Block in the first photo of Cody looks to me like it has the "Mule ear" type of block like the Swedish military models. Did other models have this feature or could the rifle be a Swede? JS


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #30 - Jun 16^th, 2020 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	Here are a couple more of our favorite target holders but sans rifles (carrying concealed?). Does the gal on the right look familiar? What are the odds? But yes, you have seen her before.


	IP Logged

Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 1969 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #31 - Jun 16^th, 2020 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	I think this is what is says; "The target firmly in her hand, newly posted on her man's frame. With cold beer, singing and music playing, everyone is looking for a good shot!"


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #32 - Jun 16^th, 2020 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	Other than "festive" being more appropriate than "good", that's a fine translation. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #33 - Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 1:21am	Print Post
	Semantha (or Samantha) Fallon owned the San Jose House hotel and a millinery shop in Tombstone, Arizona . 1879


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #34 - Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:36am	Print Post
	Wow! There's a woman after me own 'eart. And with a selection of firepower that seems simply too personalized to be photo studio props. That is, the Sharps is cool enough, but I'm pretty sure she's got a brace of Merwin & Hulbert (or just maybe Hopkins & Allen) Army Model revolvers, with ivory grips yet, and wearing them butt forward in a customized rig to boot. I'd also bet the hat came from her shop! Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #35 - Jun 25^th, 2020 at 11:43am	Print Post
	Another Sharps fan Regards


	IP Logged

Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #36 - Jun 26^th, 2020 at 10:02am	Print Post
	powderman wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 1:21am: Semantha (or Samantha) Fallon owned the San Jose House hotel and a millinery shop in Tombstone, Arizona . 1879 Is that a cleaning rod mounted under the barrel???? Also has a "Hawken" style cheek piece and but plate! COOL!


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #37 - Jun 26^th, 2020 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Samantha's Sharps has an extremely heavy barrel also! Not something the average hunter would have chosen to pack around all day!

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #38 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 12:56am	Print Post
	Samantha looks like she might also be packing a Bowie.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #39 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 1:54am	Print Post
	Pretty sure I posted this Rolling Block fan before, but can't find what thread it was in.


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #40 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 6:23am	Print Post
	Samantha's Sharps has the style of many western guns, especially the Sharps rifles customized by A. J. late of San Francisco. And, yes, there's a rod under that whopper of a barrel and she does have a knife, though to me the handle looks rather bland for a Bowie. In any case, it's the pistol rig that seems most personalized and interesting. I wonder what the Earps and Holiday thought of her. Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Jun 27^th, 2020 at 6:31am by MrTipUp »

	IP Logged

Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1424 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #41 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Looks to me like Miz Fallon is sporting the same armament as (I believe it’s) Ed Schiefflin has in Photo #6. Ed was the founder of Tombstone AZ Territory, and certainly rich enough to afford a fancy Sharps and a pair of ivory gripped revolvers with fancy rig. Maybe he lent it to her for a picture at Fly’s photo gallery.
	« Last Edit: Jun 29^th, 2020 at 11:25am by Bent_Ramrod »

	IP Logged

JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #42 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	I find all of the leather clothing quite interesting. I ran into a fellow hunting in Colorado a few years back we were both out in the middle of no where we ran across each other. It was colder than all get out when we both stopped to talk. He was wearing elk skin clothing he had made for himself from the bottom to the top. Myself the regular store bought extreme cold weather stuff. I asked him how his leather clothing was working out in this snow and cold wind. He said it is the warmest and most comfortable cold weather clothing that he has tried in the past. And then something to effect it keeps him just as comfortable as the elk that once wore it to provide him with the same extreme cold weather protection. I just thought some of you might find it a bit interesting and probably why those folks in the pictures also wore it for the same reason.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #43 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	Bent_Ramrod I think you are on to something. It definitely appears to be the same armament. Good eye! Does anybody recognize the gentleman in Reply #39 ? Regards


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #44 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	I'm referring to Bent_Ramrod's previous comment, The Sharps in Reply # 35, the photo following Ms. Fallon's, may also have a slightly smaller and slightly longer barrel than hers; but its stock definitely has a flat butt plate and no cheek piece while hers has a cheek piece and a curved butt. Also, although likely not as much as a brothel, hotels brought in good, steady money as did ladies' hats. so I'd venture that Ms. Fallon could indeed afford her whole outfit. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #45 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	Perhaps she could afford it, but the rifle and pistols referred to are the ones found late in post #5. If you look again at that photo, you'll agree that it's most surely the same outfit and rifle. Sure would like to see more of the six-shooters. I first eyed them about forty five years ago in that same picture. and I peer at every photo of him wearing pistols that I've ever seen.


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #46 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	I'm very sorry for referencing the wrong post/photo. And with egg all over my face, I now agree that the Sharps and the pistol rig are indeed the same. What I can see of the pistols in Ms. Fallon's larger photo - their grip shape, their barrel outline in those moulded holsters, their plating, and especially their lanyard rings - best suggests to me that they are Merwin & Hulbert Army models. I wonder if that very distinctive and noteworthy rig shows up in Packing Iron? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #47 - Jun 27^th, 2020 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	I agree that's what they most likely are. Could be pair of Smiths, but I doubt it. The only other pistol I've seen him wearing is a Colt single action. That rifle is one whopper, but I've seen Sharps that heavy in other places, too. The butt was not noticed by me, though it came in handy to compare for being the same rifle that she had, huh?


	IP Logged

rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #48 - Jun 28^th, 2020 at 7:32pm	Print Post
	I had an opportunity to buy the Schliffen Sharps and all emphira. A whole loose leaf binder. Lots of information. It was an honest rifle. I looked it over and decided to pass at $1200 in the late 60's. Which was on the high side of Sharps in that period. Been kicking myself ever since.


	IP Logged

oldremguy Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: NY Joined: Mar 20^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #49 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	Soldier holding a Remington sporting rolling block rifle


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #50 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	That's an odd looking uniform coat and belt buckle. What's on the belt buckle? Is that a band uniform?


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #51 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	First, the military-style belt and buckle doesn't look like anything issued here in the late 19th century. Second, I agree that the blouse looks like something from a band or just maybe a militia uniform. Finally, the boots look like what the Brits call "wellies", formally Wellingtons, which I doubt were anyone's military boot in the late 19th century. Moreover, they appear to be moulded, which is perfectly possible as the process was invented in 1853. In any case, whatever the young man was playing at, the rolling block makes the photo a very nice find. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

oldremguy Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: NY Joined: Mar 20^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #52 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 8:24pm: That's an odd looking uniform coat and belt buckle. What's on the belt buckle? Is that a band uniform? The photo that I have is in fair condition, it is faded due to being exposed to sunlight over the years. I can't make out the detail on the belt buckle. There is a pair of crossed rifles on his hat. This is what is written on the back of the photo.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #53 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:17pm	Print Post
	oldremguy, Nice to see another RB sporter. Thanks for posting. Any idea who the gentleman in post # 39 is? Regards


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #54 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:19pm	Print Post
	John X. Beidler and his Ballard


	IP Logged

oldremguy Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: NY Joined: Mar 20^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #55 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	powderman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:17pm: oldremguy, Nice to see another RB sporter. Thanks for posting. Any idea who the gentleman in post # 39 is? Regards I don't know who the gentleman would be. You don't see to many photos with people holding rolling block sporting rifles. Here is a photo of the 13th Separate Company from Jamestown, New York. It was taken in 1895 and shows members of shooting team No.1 and No.2 after receiving their trophy after winning the 4th Brigade Shoot in Tonawanda, New York. They are armed with the New York State Model rolling block rifles chambered in 50-70 cartridge.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #56 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	powderman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:19pm: John X. Beidler and his Ballard Winchester. Early lowall?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #57 - Jun 30^th, 2020 at 8:03am	Print Post
	For once I agree with Joe. What I can see of the action and the breech block does look more like a low wall than a Ballard. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2202 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #58 - Jun 30^th, 2020 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Think the gentleman with the rolling block has a brand new pair of standard nineteenth century two piece boots. After you wear them for a while, they look like the boots in the later picture of the gentleman with the low wall. Modern boots are usually four piece. Good way to tell if a CAS shooter's outfit is authentic. Chuck


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #59 - Jun 30^th, 2020 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 8:03am: For once I agree with Joe. Bill Lawrence That ain't the first time you've said that........

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #60 - Jun 30^th, 2020 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	Let's hope it isn't the last either. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #61 - Jul 4^th, 2020 at 11:42am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 11:45pm: powderman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 10:19pm: John X. Beidler and his Ballard Winchester. Early lowall? Oh my, I think Westerner and Mr, Tip Up are spot on and the gentleman is indeed holding an early low wall. Guess I could blame the provincial government decision to cancel all elective surgery in honour of covid-19, which has put the brakes on my upcoming cataract surgery, for the misidentification. Now Mr. Tip Up is not the only one with egg all over his face. In fact, mine has rundown all the way to my four piece boots. In hopes of redeeming myself, and for your amusement, I am attaching a photo of what I think is a Ballard, or perhaps it’s a Stevens. Happy July 4th to all the Yanks! Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #62 - Jul 4^th, 2020 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	I'd have taken her campin despite them dainty city kicks. Good picture, and that is a Ballard.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #63 - Jul 4^th, 2020 at 3:03pm	Print Post
	Cool if slightly surreal photo, powderman. and, yes, that rifle is a Ballard. I particularly love the fringed leggings that almost hide her shoes; as Joe says, "dainty kicks" that you'd hardly go "frontiering" in. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #64 - Jul 4^th, 2020 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Well, since we are doing the lady's here are a couple from my accumulation (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1424 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #65 - Jul 5^th, 2020 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	Here's one I found. Photo by L.A. Huffman


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #66 - Jul 5^th, 2020 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	Last week at the family supper 'Alice', in the pic holding her grandpap's trapdoor, refused to hide her spiked hair, but consented to wearing mom's sweater to cover her tattoos. I think she lives around here, I see her every time I go to Walnuts. Good pictures, guys


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #67 - Jul 5^th, 2020 at 2:23pm	Print Post
	The girl with the hair bow seems to be holding the a standard pre-Winder .22 high-wall musket, complete to the sling. The other girl's musket is harder to type - rear sight gone, custom target sights, and a custom but still military-style forearm. Is it likely any photographer would have two such props? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #68 - Jul 5^th, 2020 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Maybe not part of a woman and girls chores were to put food on their table and at times to sell to others. One has to look back in order to realize just how important a rifle and a shotgun were to a families survival. Is was not just the men who were out shooting game they were more typically working the land and doing what ever else that was required to establish and maintain a homestead during that time. I remember one of my aunt's who grew up in the hills of Lompoc Ca. we're they deer were plentiful. Dad was a wheat farmer his son's the same and It was the girls who hunted, processed the meat and the hung slices of marinated meat on the barbwire fencimg to make jerky. They used cayanne pepper to keep the flies off and she made the best dear jerky that I have ever had.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #69 - Jul 5^th, 2020 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	" Is it likely any photographer would have two such props?" If you notice on the breasts they wear what appear to be medals, I always took these two as school shooters back when you could actually take a gun to school and the schools had shooting teams, of course it could be something different.

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #70 - Jul 5^th, 2020 at 7:08pm	Print Post
	How could I have missed the medals, three each yet? 45govt has a very discerning eye, and I'd bet he's exactly right. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #71 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 1:28am	Print Post
	I suspect the Winder muskets the young ladies are holding were used to win the Winchester junior rifle corps medals pinned to their chest. At least that's my suspicion. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #72 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	Since both young ladies have three medals, I'm going to bet they have made it all the way through the Junior Rifle Corps' ranks from "Marksman" to "Sharpshooter" to "Expert Rifleman", indeed an accomplishment worthy of a memory-preserving photo. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #73 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	Bill if so that is no easy feat by any means.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #74 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 2:06pm	Print Post
	For the record, I have discovered since posting in Reply #7, this is a photo of B.K. O'Dwyer. Regards


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #75 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	Powderman, thanks for the ID. I got sidetracked, but I'd meant earlier to comment that ol' DK has a long barrel on that puppy.


	IP Logged

Bigskybob Junior Member Offline Posts: 79 Location: Montana Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #76 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	I believe that is Bridger himself in his best Sunday attire. Also one loonng round barrelled Sharps.


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #77 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 11:19am	Print Post
	I didn't think it was Jim Bridger, since Bridger was born in 1804, and not sure there are any photographs of a young Jim Bridger ever taken? Since photography was in it's infancy when Bridger was a young man, it wouldn't seem to be used enough to get an image of him at that age. Photography wasn't even around until it was developed in the 1830's in France.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #78 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 11:45am	Print Post
	Photograpy wasn't even around until it was developed in the 1830's in France. I love it. I always wondered how to become a "Frequent Elocutionist. "


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #79 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Many of us here are punny, sometimes even intentionally so. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #80 - Jul 12^th, 2020 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	Here's Richard "Beaver Dick" Leigh resting with his Sharps. Regards


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #81 - Jul 13^th, 2020 at 8:57am	Print Post
	Rough looking old guy. There's them boots again. Must have been cold. Look at all the clothes he has on.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #82 - Jul 13^th, 2020 at 9:33am	Print Post
	scharfe wrote on Jul 9^th, 2020 at 11:45am: Photograpy wasn't even around until it was developed in the 1830's in France. I love it. I always wondered how to become a "Frequent Elocutionist. " Wondered if anybody would catch that?

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #83 - Jul 13^th, 2020 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	I'm wonderin' when anybody's gonna click to the name in powderman's post.


	IP Logged

BlackPowderLove Junior Member Offline Posts: 62 Location: Western Uplands of Wisconsin Joined: Jul 12^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #84 - Jul 15^th, 2020 at 9:09am	Print Post
	One of my all time favorites... a couple cute ladies from down the road from me here in western WI. 1889 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	“Tradition is not to preserve the ashes but to pass on the flame”
	WWW IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #85 - Jul 15^th, 2020 at 11:35am	Print Post
	Three chicks with guns wearing men's hats. Trouble............

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

BlackPowderLove Junior Member Offline Posts: 62 Location: Western Uplands of Wisconsin Joined: Jul 12^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #86 - Jul 15^th, 2020 at 11:49am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 11:35am: Three chicks with guns wearing men's hats. Trouble............ Sounds like my kind of trouble!

	“Tradition is not to preserve the ashes but to pass on the flame”
	WWW IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #87 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	I really like these old pics.


	IP Logged

JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #88 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Some of those hats are just as charming as the rifles themselves.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #89 - Jul 23^rd, 2020 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Annie with a Sharps fan.


	IP Logged

Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 835 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #90 - Jul 23^rd, 2020 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	Sitting Bull?


	IP Logged

rollingblock Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 372 Location: Texas part of New Mexico Joined: Aug 19^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #91 - Jul 24^th, 2020 at 7:53am	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2020 at 10:26pm: Sitting Bull? The Washington Football Team


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #92 - Jul 24^th, 2020 at 9:24am	Print Post
	Looks too young to be Sitting Bull. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #93 - Jul 24^th, 2020 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Sitting Bull was young once.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #94 - Jul 25^th, 2020 at 12:05am	Print Post
	But he was 29 years older than Annie Oakley;-) More power to old men, eh Joe?


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #95 - Jul 25^th, 2020 at 12:49am	Print Post
	Annie's only six in that picture.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #96 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 4:50am	Print Post
	Perty gal with Sharps rifle tie pin.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

Flatlander Oldtimer Offline Posts: 596 Location: Warm Arizona Joined: Apr 24^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #97 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 4:50am: Perty gal with Sharps rifle tie pin. Westerner: Is that a braided whip on her left hand? Looks like trouble. Love the picture. Flatlander

	NRA Life ASSRA Member 3197 Charcoal Burner
	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #98 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Yep, looks like trouble alright.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #99 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 9:28pm	Print Post
	I'll take your word for it that her tie pin is a gun of some sort. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #100 - Aug 9^th, 2020 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	I have come across a reference that states this gentleman from Reply#2, is William Cody in 1871. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #101 - Aug 9^th, 2020 at 2:38pm	Print Post
	Wondering if the gentleman on the right might be holding a single shot. My eyes are not good enough to tell. To me it appears to be either a Sharps Model 1878 or a Winchester Model 1885. What do the experts say? Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

Longdistance1 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 428 Location: Amidon, ND Joined: Feb 11^th, 2013	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #102 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 12:31am	Print Post
	Its a Borchardt LD1


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #103 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:08am	Print Post
	Unfortunately. the light is reflected off the young man's Merwin & Hulbert's plating just enough to make the rifle's action difficult to identify. It could well be either an 1885 or an 1878; but I favor a Winchester over a Sharps. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1155 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #104 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 11:02am	Print Post
	A little Photo Shop tweak helps bring out detail in shadows.

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
	WWW IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #105 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	Many thanks, Mr. Wright. Your superior computer skills were what was needed to establish what LD1's sharp eyes (pun intended) had already perceived - the rifle is indeed a Borchardt. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2790 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #106 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	830singleshot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 1:28am: I suspect the Winder muskets the young ladies are holding were used to win the Winchester junior rifle corps medals pinned to their chest. At least that's my suspicion. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I think the photo and the rifles pre-date the Winchester Junior Rifle Corps by 10 to 15 years.


	IP Logged

waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2790 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #107 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:09pm	Print Post
	BlackPowderLove wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 9:09am: One of my all time favorites... a couple cute ladies from down the road from me here in western WI. 1889 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) We had names for these ladies some time back.


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #108 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	The photo of the three snazzy-hatted ladies has been reproduced many times. The ladies were all members of the Alma (Wisconsin) Ladies Shooting Society, and have been identified (left to right) as sisters Clara and Julia Tester and their friend Emma Protz. And, yes, the two Martini Schuetzen rifles were made by Alma-area gun maker Christian Patt. The original of this photo, taken by Alma photographer Gerhard Gesell in 1889, is in the collection of the Alma Historical Society. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #109 - Aug 11^th, 2020 at 2:17am	Print Post
	I think it's a Winchester. What looks like the back of a Borchardt breech block is a part/fold on the young mans britches. Real hard to tell.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #110 - Aug 11^th, 2020 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	My only thought was that it doesn't look like a 45 caliber hole in the muzzle.


	IP Logged

BlackPowderLove Junior Member Offline Posts: 62 Location: Western Uplands of Wisconsin Joined: Jul 12^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #111 - Aug 11^th, 2020 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 9:45pm: The photo of the three snazzy-hatted ladies has been reproduced many times. The ladies were all members of the Alma (Wisconsin) Ladies Shooting Society, and have been identified (left to right) as sisters Clara and Julia Tester and their friend Emma Protz. And, yes, the two Martini Schuetzen rifles were made by Alma-area gun maker Christian Patt. The original of this photo, taken by Alma photographer Gerhard Gesell in 1889, is in the collection of the Alma Historical Society. Bill Lawrence Yes!! Exactly. Alma is about a 40 min drive from here, down on the river.

	“Tradition is not to preserve the ashes but to pass on the flame”
	WWW IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #112 - Aug 11^th, 2020 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	My former father-in-law grew up in Alms and among his related mementos was a booklet put out by the Alma Historical Society about target shooting in the Alma area in the late 19th century. That photo was prominently featured therein. Unfortunately, the booklet "disappeared" after he died. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2790 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #113 - Aug 12^th, 2020 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 9:45pm: The photo of the three snazzy-hatted ladies has been reproduced many times. The ladies were all members of the Alma (Wisconsin) Ladies Shooting Society, and have been identified (left to right) as sisters Clara and Julia Tester and their friend Emma Protz. And, yes, the two Martini Schuetzen rifles were made by Alma-area gun maker Christian Patt. For those who are on Ancestry.com: Some time back, I created a tree for the Tester sisters, another for Emma Protz, and another for Christian Patt. Search for their names. I think my trees will be linked.


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #114 - Aug 16^th, 2020 at 4:06am	Print Post
	Here are some new ones, and a couple of older ones, and the photo with the Hepburn is mine. Hiwall, Ballard, TD Carbine (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Hepburn (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Hiwall (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) a bunch of kids with Trapdoors (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #115 - Aug 16^th, 2020 at 8:19am	Print Post
	Several of the trap-door carbiners are wearing more-or-less matching, sort-of military outfits. Spanish-American War volunteers? Maybe even "Rough Riders"? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #116 - Aug 16^th, 2020 at 11:23am	Print Post
	In 45govt's newest gang of nifty photos the first shown has a high wall that sure looks to end with a Helm buttplate. Not much for 'soldier' use- or any ranger stuff either. And in the photo of all the well armed boys, it would seem that Mr. and Mrs. Mullen spent a lot of time together.


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #117 - Aug 16^th, 2020 at 11:52am	Print Post
	Notice that the last photo was taken in Manila. It is tempting to presume that the two men are members of the 15th US Cavalry, that was initially organized to help put down the Philippine Rebellion of 1899-1902. But why aren't they armed with Krags? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #118 - Aug 16^th, 2020 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	The Hiwall in the first photo has a standard butt, the Ballard appears to be a Pacific with a tang site, all the cartridge belts appear to have 45-70 rounds and look like 1885 belts?

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #119 - Aug 16^th, 2020 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	I need to take your word for the buttplate- I can't get it big and clear enough to really tell. But I'm pretty sure I got the description of the kid photo right! Thanks for the pics, no matter what else, they are fun to look at.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #120 - Aug 18^th, 2020 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	William Cody caressing Lucretia Borgia Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #121 - Aug 18^th, 2020 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	It may well not be a coincidence that Lucretia Borgia is included in this 1872 photo of Bill, Grand Duke Alexi, and two hangers-on. For legend has it that it was only after Bill loaned his rifle and hunt-trained horse to the relatively inexperienced and overly excited young nobleman that the latter finally killed his first American buffalo. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #122 - Aug 20^th, 2020 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	More Lucretia, a babe, and a RB Sporter.


	IP Logged

JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #123 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 1:07am	Print Post
	Since we're into old photos here on of my Great Grandfather, who I was fortunate to know when I was a little kid. He's on the right. I've studied this photo for years trying to come up a clue to the rifles they'er holding but nothing so far comes up. Probably just some nondescript muzzleloaders. It was taken in Central Oregon probably in the 1880's.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #124 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 5:48am	Print Post
	One is a muzzle loader for sure. Not so sure on the other. Looks like a Flobert?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #125 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	I agree with Joe; the one on the left is a Flobert. In the last photo of Bill, Buntline, and Texas Jack, could the "babe" - whom I'd swear we've seen before, a sharpshooting "Princess Somebody" whose husband/performance partner also wore pseudo-Indian getup - be substituting for the missing Hickok, who if I remember correctly left the show early? And, no, it's not Oakley in her earliest theatrical incarnation. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #126 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	Your great grandfathers rifle is, as westerner stated, a muzzleloader for sure, and typical of a half stock plains rifle. There were many known makers and many not so known. If I were you I would post any photographs you have on any number of websites pertaining to muzzleloasders that have members who might be able to help you identify your Great grandfathers rifle. There are, I'm sure, members here who could direct you to some of those websites, and quite possibly knowledgeable enough to help with identification. It would certainly be nice to know more. Good luck in your search.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #127 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	Looks to be Cody with a 1/2 stock cap gun. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #128 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 4:51pm	Print Post
	This gentleman with a Ballard from Reply #3 is Gabriel Dumont Regards


	IP Logged

Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1424 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #129 - Aug 22^nd, 2020 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	Powderman's Post #101 shows "White-Eye" Jack Anderson and "Yankee" Judd, in Leadville, CO 1879. White-Eye accompanied Wild Bill Hickok on his last trip to Deadwood and allegedly Hickok gave him the Colt Single Action he is holding. No mention of what Yankee Judd is holding, as the article was all about "Where are Wild Bill's Guns?" The article mentioned that if all the alleged Wild Bill guns were put into Wild Bill's coffin, there wouldn't be any room for Wild Bill.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #130 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 11:41pm	Print Post
	Another Sharps fan. This is the same gentleman pictured in Reply #2 Regards, Powderman
	« Last Edit: Aug 31^st, 2020 at 2:55am by powderman »

	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #131 - Aug 31^st, 2020 at 3:12am	Print Post
	Prospector Edward Schieffelin founder of Tombstone, Arizona c1880. Another Sharps fan. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1642 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #132 - Aug 31^st, 2020 at 7:55am	Print Post
	That's one heavy barreled Sharps rifle and it looks like it has a cheek piece.


	IP Logged

JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #133 - Aug 31^st, 2020 at 12:33pm	Print Post
	Barrel does appear to be heavy but the length also appears to be shorter than per-say normal. So the rifle might not be as heavy as it appears to be.
	« Last Edit: Aug 31^st, 2020 at 12:39pm by JLouis »
	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #134 - Aug 31^st, 2020 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	We've seen the rifle and gun belt in another photo of Mr. Schieffelin; but I still wonder how they came to grace the photo of Samantha Fallon (Post # 33), who owned, among other things, a reputed "hotel" in Tombstone. Ed's sweetie? Exquisite services rendered? I'm thinking cable movie plot. Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Aug 31^st, 2020 at 6:44pm by MrTipUp »

	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1642 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #135 - Aug 31^st, 2020 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	Good eye Bill. I went back and looked at post 33 and there you can clearly see that it has a ramrod attached to the bottom of the barrel which makes it look a lot bigger than it is. You don't see many straight grip Sharps with a cheek rest on it and it looks like it may have been added.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #136 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 1:11am	Print Post
	What is Mr. Schieffelin propping his right leg up with, and why?


	IP Logged

degoins Junior Member Offline Posts: 54 Location: Pamplico Joined: May 22^nd, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #137 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 8:34am	Print Post
	Thats a small pick/hammer.


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #138 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:56am	Print Post
	Since there was considerable silver in Nevada back then, did it also occur in Arizona? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #139 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Sure, Arizona mined a whopping amount of silver. Even way, way back the indigenous people extract some. Became fine jewelers in some opinions.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #140 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	Is that a wiping rod under Mr. Schieffelins Sharps barrel?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1642 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #141 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Yup.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #142 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	Interesting. Might be a Gemmer Sharps or a Freund?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #143 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	He basically founded Tombstone Arizona by striking it rich mining a mother lode of silver, so he could most assuredly afford a Freund or Gemmer, or whatever he wanted for that matter.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #144 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 7:21am	Print Post
	Post # 33 gives you a good look at the wiping rod and shows you that in other photos the rifle's barrel looks much larger than it actually is due to a very thick underrib. Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:41am by MrTipUp »

	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1642 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #145 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 8:09am	Print Post
	Since both Samantha and Schiefflein where from Tombstone, that rifle must have been a prop in the photography store. I wonder what the chances of it still being in Tombstone are, possibly in a museum somewhere? Gemmer makes sense, Joe.
	« Last Edit: Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 2:59pm by Old-Win »

	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #146 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:50am	Print Post
	. . . that rifle must have been a prop in the photography store. And also the fancy double gun belt, its loops filled with what could well be cartridges for the Sharps? I'd say that's stretching probabilities at least as far as Ed and Samantha being very good friends. But if it was a prop, it will show up in other photos, I'm sure. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2202 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #147 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 10:36am	Print Post
	Hung up on the boots. Made a few. Earliest "V" notch tops I have seen. Sharper toe and higher heel than most of the period. Probably custom made, maybe locally. Chuck


	IP Logged

JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #148 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	Chuck I too was looking at the boots. The ones currently being made are just not pleasing to my myself and I have always preferred the Olathe round toe and what I have worn for years and still do. The one below is basically the same boot as I have with the exception of maybe the toe not being as round its hard to tell. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #149 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Babes with single shot? Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #150 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 8:39am	Print Post
	More ladies with snazzy hats and tres cool matching outfits. Another pair of sisters? Early lady live-bird/trap shooters? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #151 - Sep 5^th, 2020 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	I think the seated babe is holding some type of tip-up type rifle. Whatever the standing babe has, she appears to be in the process of loading it. Perhaps she doesn't like her photo being taken. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #152 - Sep 5^th, 2020 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	Shotguns. Or shotgun and second barrel.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #153 - Sep 6^th, 2020 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	"Buckskin Joe" caressing his Smith. Joe Richeaud. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #154 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	This repaired and altered Sharps Model 1874 rifle was invoiced in June 1874 to gun dealer F.C. Zimmerman at Dodge City, Kansas. Bought by professional buffalo hunter and later-famed peace officer William “Bill” Tilghman, the weapon killed several thousand buffalo between 1874 and 1878. Broken in a horse-fall out on the range, the buttstock was repaired by Tilghman using a strip of raw buffalo hide. Sometime after leaving the range, Tilghman had the octagonal barrel cut down from 32 inches to 24 inches to serve as a convenient saddle gun. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #155 - Sep 26^th, 2020 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	A Stevens aficionado. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1642 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #156 - Sep 26^th, 2020 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	That guy and his rifle look as though they lived the real life. His boots are not fancy and look well worn. His hands look very grizzled, possibly his right hand was badly burned. I'd say he went there,did that and got the T-shirt. Neat pic.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #157 - Oct 14^th, 2020 at 1:12am	Print Post
	A rolling block sporter fan. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #158 - Oct 17^th, 2020 at 1:41pm	Print Post
	Looks to be some sort of single shot. I'll leave the ID to the experts. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #159 - Oct 17^th, 2020 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	That's a Whitney Phoenix, I believe; not the most commonly photographed single shot, to be sure. His brace of pistols is more interesting, however. Flobert parlor pistols? Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Oct 24^th, 2020 at 6:27pm by MrTipUp »

	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #160 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	I haven't seen this pic before.


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #161 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	WOW!! And I don't even care if those are not factory cases. Also, could someone who is clever with Photosmart or other such software sharpen and perhaps lighten that photo for those who want a pin-up? Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Oct 24^th, 2020 at 6:23pm by MrTipUp »

	IP Logged

MT Chambers Full Member Offline Posts: 141 Location: Foam Lake, Saskatchewan Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #162 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	In the picture before the guy looks like Prince.


	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #163 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 10:29am	Print Post
	Mr. Lawrence, The picture I posted came from the link below. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #164 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	Very interesting, but not from American Rifleman, which didn't appear until 1923. Must have been Shooting and Fishing.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 1969 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #165 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 4:11pm	Print Post
	It looks like Ad Topperwein.


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #166 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	It is from Shooting and Fishing Here is a larger snip

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #167 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	"Plinky" put on weight, but Ad was always slim. In any case, the "rifleman" is clearly a serious shooter and it did cross my mind that he might have been an exhibition shooter, perhaps for Stevens, as the cases surely look professionally made. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #168 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:54pm	Print Post
	My thanks to the several of you who provided more information about the "Rifleman and His Pets" photo. Accompanying the photo is a short, explanatory article wherein the owner unfortunately chooses to be anonymous. But there is something perhaps of import. The article and photo are from the Oct. 31, 1901 issue. Therein the author mentions that the rifle he is holding is for the .28-30-120 cartridge, "the latest production of the Stevens Company", and that he loads his own cartridges using "Fg King's Semi Smokeless". The point is that it seems to me that past Forum queries have been about when the .28-30 cartridge and and also when semi-smokeless powder began to be used; if so, here's some first-hand evidence, for what it's worth. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #169 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 8:30am	Print Post
	Mr. Lawrence, The man may be John A. Cox of Hoosick, Ny. In the Dec 5 issue of Shooting and Fishing he writes of his Stevens 49 in 28/30 purchased in the spring and not having fitted it yet with a scope. The gentleman in the picture makes reference to Albany, Ny (near Hoosick) and what I can make out from the photo the rifle he is holding matches that (could be a 49 and is scopeless). Does anyone know who used the handle "Crimp" back then possibly Charles Herrick ? Also who used the handle "Aberdeen." I'm reading all this from digital copies of Shooting and Fishing. They are in the Cornell Univ. Library and the originals came from W T Hornady of the Ny Zoological Society.
	« Last Edit: Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:55am by scharfe »

	IP Logged

RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1155 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #170 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:49am	Print Post
	45govt Thanks for posting that photo with those Stevens cased rifles. To help explain it a bit, below is the text from Shooting & Fishing that went with that photo.

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
	WWW IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #171 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	My only problem with considering John Cox is why not say you're from Hoosick? Or is Hoosick very near the more well-known Albany? There was a time, for example, when I said I was from South Bend, Indiana simply because most people, including those from nearby towns, had never heard of the mini village of Granger, some 10 miles north of The Bend. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #172 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 1:37pm	Print Post
	It's a common upstate Ny thing. Nobody want's to be from "East Chicken Lips". Years ago I met a guy while in Tn, My coworker introduced him saying "he's from your neck of the woods". Him = "I'm from Syracuse". Me = "I'm from Binghamton". Him = "I'm really from Endicott". Me = "No sh**, me too". Come to find out he was 2 years behind me in High School.
	« Last Edit: Oct 26^th, 2020 at 1:44pm by scharfe »

	IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #173 - Oct 27^th, 2020 at 10:16pm	Print Post
	Digging through the New Braunfels Schuetzen Verein archives, I just stumbled across this photo. It's titled "Stevens Rifle Team".
	« Last Edit: Oct 27^th, 2020 at 10:37pm by 830singleshot »
	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #174 - Oct 28^th, 2020 at 6:34am	Print Post
	And I agree with the middle man: whether it's the team or the rifles, Stevens is No. 1! Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

John Rigby Full Member Offline Posts: 200 Location: Midwest Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #175 - Oct 28^th, 2020 at 9:36am	Print Post
	I think what he is saying is that "I wish I had a Ballard, my scores would have been much better!" At least that's what I take from the picture.

	John Rigby
	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #176 - Oct 28^th, 2020 at 10:09am	Print Post
	John Rigby wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 9:36am: I think what he is saying is that "I wish I had a Ballard, my scores would have been much better!" At least that's what I take from the picture. Funny, that's what I got from it too!

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #177 - Oct 28^th, 2020 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Back side of the New Braunfels "Stevens rifle team" photo
	« Last Edit: Oct 29^th, 2020 at 1:36pm by 830singleshot »
	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

AndyZ Full Member Offline Posts: 227 Location: Madison, Ct. Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #178 - Oct 29^th, 2020 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	One more picture just to muddy the waters. Now lets see if I can post it.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #179 - Nov 4^th, 2020 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Bill Cody invades Ottawa 140 years too early. Please click on link for full story. Regards

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) ( 10 KB \| 34 Downloads )
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #180 - Dec 7^th, 2020 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	Some more single shot aficionados. Regards


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #181 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	Some Rolling Block boys. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #182 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:57am	Print Post
	830singleshot wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 10:16pm: Digging through the New Braunfels Schuetzen Verein archives, I just stumbled across this photo. It's titled "Stevens Rifle Team". I thought the middle man was asking permission to go to the can.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #183 - Mar 29^th, 2021 at 11:34pm	Print Post
	Felix Telles aka Mickey Free and his Sharps Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #184 - Mar 30^th, 2021 at 4:37am	Print Post
	You see how his right eye is bigger and more pronounced than a normal persons right eye? That's because he used it a lot shooting iron sights. All the best shooters had that big ole eyeball.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

John Rigby Full Member Offline Posts: 200 Location: Midwest Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #185 - Mar 30^th, 2021 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	I believe that the gentleman seated on the right in the top photo has a J. P. Lower Special Order Ballard.

	John Rigby
	IP Logged

BlackPowderLove Junior Member Offline Posts: 62 Location: Western Uplands of Wisconsin Joined: Jul 12^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #186 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 9:01am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Mar 30^th, 2021 at 4:37am: You see how his right eye is bigger and more pronounced than a normal persons right eye? That's because he used it a lot shooting iron sights. All the best shooters had that big ole eyeball.

	“Tradition is not to preserve the ashes but to pass on the flame”
	WWW IP Logged

kensmachine Oldtimer Offline Posts: 548 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #187 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 10:01am	Print Post
	looks like 3 of the 5 rifles don't have a front sight


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #188 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Front sight? We don't need no stinkin' front sight!


	IP Logged

RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1155 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #189 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	Perhaps it's a screen resolution issue but I can see front barrel sights on all rifles except the Sharps in the center where the bottom side of the rifle faces the camera. I higher resolution photo would likely show those front sights more clearly.

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
	WWW IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #190 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 2:30am	Print Post
	And a good time was had by all. Regards


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #191 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 2:02pm	Print Post
	those guys look like they are celebrating the latest executive order from our gallant leader in DC.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #192 - May 3^rd, 2021 at 2:51am	Print Post
	A Borchardt aficionado. Regards


	IP Logged

ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #193 - May 3^rd, 2021 at 11:06pm	Print Post
	That man has dam fine taste in rifles. Lee Gibbs pres.ASSRA


	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #194 - May 8^th, 2021 at 11:26pm	Print Post
	I just stumble don this photo.


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #195 - May 14^th, 2021 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	It isn't a single shot, but it's a POPE!


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #196 - May 14^th, 2021 at 10:22pm	Print Post
	That must be "the redhead"....................... And they still don't know where electric power comes from!

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #197 - May 15^th, 2021 at 1:02am	Print Post
	And it came with a rifle rest attached right on the side!


	IP Logged

craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2036 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #198 - May 15^th, 2021 at 12:00pm	Print Post
	If they could only make those generators smaller, then all the electric cars could carry one, under the hood.


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #199 - May 15^th, 2021 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	I wonder how much farther you could drive on the diesel fuel burnt to charge the battery on that idiot's car. And, how much oil was consumed in the plastics on the car, the tires on the wheels and, for that matter, the very roadway upon which it will travel. Some conservationist he is, huh?


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #200 - May 15^th, 2021 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	Ah, here's where it came from and I guess there it makes sense. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Additional info: the Nullarbor plain in Australia is 684 miles across and there are no electric lines.
	« Last Edit: May 15^th, 2021 at 1:17pm by oneatatime »

	IP Logged

craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2036 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #201 - May 15^th, 2021 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	I would think, if there is no electricity for six hundred some miles, the light bulb would go on.


	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #202 - May 15^th, 2021 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	It is a single shot with a Pope! (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Not sure why it wont post the photo, so click the link
	« Last Edit: May 15^th, 2021 at 6:48pm by 45govt »
	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #203 - May 15^th, 2021 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	I think I have seen photos of the military/rangers in Yellowstone NP riding bicycles. Maybe that is the origin of "put the hammer down".


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #204 - May 31^st, 2021 at 4:00am	Print Post
	Ballard boy in calvary group from Fort Clark, Texas Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #205 - May 31^st, 2021 at 9:08am	Print Post
	Judging by his saddle, boots, and the wiping rod and tang sight on his rifle, I'd guess that Ballard Boy at least is not regular army. Are they members of a militia unit perhaps? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 624 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #206 - May 31^st, 2021 at 10:03am	Print Post
	What about the High wall and look at the cartridges in their belts. Look longer than 45-70s


	GTalk IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #207 - May 31^st, 2021 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	The Ballard is most likely a Pacific, as the cartridges don't appear long enough for a Montana. The Pacific was chambered in 45-70 along with others. If part of a militia or military outfit the 45-70 would make sense as ammunition would be more readily available.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #208 - May 31^st, 2021 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	I might add, that they are more likely part of a cavalry outfit as opposed to a calvary. Easy mistake to make.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #209 - May 31^st, 2021 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Yes, as calvary is easier to say, but just remember that the calvary men carried crosses or spears and not guns.


	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #210 - Jun 1^st, 2021 at 12:06am	Print Post
	Being aware of the difference is why I made the point. It is the spelling that might be easy to miss.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #211 - Jun 1^st, 2021 at 8:22am	Print Post
	Calvary is where people are burried. I don't know if Grammerly knows the difference.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1060 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #212 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	that auto is called a pope hartford hartford is the town i was born in that's connecticut art from hartford


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #213 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Top is my .40-85/90 Ballard cartridge for my Pacific. The Montana barrels are larger diameter than the receiver, and that Ballard's barrel is too small to be a Montana. But they also offered the Pacific in even longer cases than the .40-85 too!

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #214 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 12:06am	Print Post
	The cartridges in the belt of the fellow with the pacific look more like 45-70 length to me, not as long as the cartridges for the Montana as I said, nor as long as some others available for the Pacific, as I mentioned also. Again, if these men are affiliated with the Army or a militia, the 45-70 would make more sense, but highly doubtful we will ever know for sure. Regardless, I just thought it was a really neat photograph.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #215 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 12:15am	Print Post
	The fellow with the highwall and cartridges, look to me to be considerably longer than the Ballard's. The fellow with the Trapdoor is easier!!!

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #216 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Hello Since that photo is in my collection I have examined my 7.75mb scan and they are all .45-70 cartridges.

	Thanks, Don ASSRA Member # 4098 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #217 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	Thanks, now we do know!!

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #218 - Jun 9^th, 2021 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	Here is a photo from John Dutcher's Ballard book. It shows a member of the Northwest Mounted Police holding a Ballard sporting rifle. Standard issue at the time would have been a Snider Enfield Mk. III carbine. Regards Powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #219 - Aug 16^th, 2021 at 2:23am	Print Post
	Looks like a peabody fan. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #220 - Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:39am	Print Post
	What tortured the brains of those who made such outfits? Anyway. like the famous Billy the Kid photo, printed reversed so that the Peabody appears to have a left-hand lock. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

LONG RANGE Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 414 Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2013	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #221 - Oct 7^th, 2021 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	What is that growing out of his hat? Could it be some form of cannabis?
	« Last Edit: Oct 7^th, 2021 at 3:18pm by LONG RANGE »

	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #222 - Feb 20^th, 2022 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Smith was hired by “Buffalo Bill” Cody to appear with his Wild West troop in 1886. Almost immediately, she was seen to be Annie Oakley’s rival. During Cody’s tour of Europe the following summer, the rivalry became public over perceived slights by European royalty. Smith left the show in 1889, and faded into obscurity. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Regards


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #223 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	Every photo and description of Lillian Smith that I've run across shows/describes a woman who, as my mom would have said, was "pleasingly plump". Therefore. I have strong doubts that the left-hand photo above is Miss Lillian. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #224 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	found this on the 'net. Says it's Annie Oakley, but I am unconvinced. So, tell us what you think- is it, or ain't it her?


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #225 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	This is a fairly well known publicity photo of Oakley that was used to promote her play The Western Girl. In 1901, Oakley and Butler were in a bad train wreck that caused her to leave Buffalo Bill's show and pursue less strenuous things. The play, supposedly, was one such thing. Of course, at the time, Oakley was in her early 40s, so some have suggested that her beautifully curled and flowing hair is actually a wig. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #226 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Is that a Deluxe Sporting 1892 she's holding?


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #227 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	I believe now. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Heck, it just hadda be true! After all, I found it on the internet. And, that sure looks like a fancy M92 to me as well.


	IP Logged

slowshot Participating Member Offline Posts: 48 Location: Arkansas Hills Joined: May 7^th, 2021	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #228 - Feb 24^th, 2022 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	thanks to everyone for posting pictures. amazing, great way to spend an iced in day Dennis


	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1642 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #229 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 3:26pm: found this on the 'net. Says it's Annie Oakley, but I am unconvinced. So, tell us what you think- is it, or ain't it her? Called flyer, I'm with you on this and I'm a little skeptical that that pretty girl is Annie. Her hair is much curlier than Annie's unless they were giving perms back in the day. Also if you look at her hat, her star has five points where as Annie's had six points and it may be that Annie wore the six-pointed star in her hat because she was from a town called North Star. As Bill mentioned, the picture is from a poster from the play, A Western Girl, but she would have been 41 years old by then and this is certainly a much younger person but then again it may be a very early Annie before she had her persona fully developed.
	« Last Edit: Feb 26^th, 2022 at 4:20pm by Old-Win »

	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #230 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	As I mentioned, it is often reported that Annie's hair in that photo is a wig, necessitated by her age in the play and the real aftermath of the 1901 accident. In any case, they could certainly curl hair back then at least temporarily; plus some careful make-up, lighting, and posing can make many good-looking 41-year-old women look at least 10 years younger. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #231 - Feb 27^th, 2022 at 2:41pm	Print Post
	dunno if it it or isn't good ol' Annie, but I wish we did. It is a nice picture whoever it is.


	IP Logged

condorsc Full Member Offline NRA Life/Benefactor, ASSRA, SCV Life Posts: 131 Location: Beaufort, S.C. Joined: Nov 13^th, 2021	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #232 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 3:27pm: The guy in back on the right has a short barreled rifle that almost looks like it has a bayonet lug on it. And a stacking swivel under that. It was military all right.


	IP Logged

benchrest shooter 5 Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #233 - Mar 26^th, 2022 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Extremely interesting photos. I wish I have seen them sooner.


	IP Logged

condorsc Full Member Offline NRA Life/Benefactor, ASSRA, SCV Life Posts: 131 Location: Beaufort, S.C. Joined: Nov 13^th, 2021	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #234 - Jun 3^rd, 2022 at 4:43am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on May 31^st, 2021 at 9:08am: Judging by his saddle, boots, and the wiping rod and tang sight on his rifle, I'd guess that Ballard Boy at least is not regular army. Are they members of a militia unit perhaps? Bill Lawrence A few curious aspects- Any idea what task they are facing with all that rope? They are military alright, but not regulars. They could be State Troops or National Guard, and the militia was still the governing military authority until 1916- they could be militia. Military gear in fact is scarce here- The only saddle clearly visible is not military and the only military rifle is the TD carbine. Ballard boy is wearing the only Mills belt visible. Thanks for all the old pics. Enjoyable.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #235 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 1:56pm	Print Post
	Showing off his Sharps sporting rifle. Regards, Powderman


	IP Logged

scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 502 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #236 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Gotta love the mirror image. That's how Billy The Kidd got the left hand reputation.


	IP Logged

rollingblock Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 372 Location: Texas part of New Mexico Joined: Aug 19^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #237 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:50am: . . . that rifle must have been a prop in the photography store. And also the fancy double gun belt, its loops filled with what could well be cartridges for the Sharps? I'd say that's stretching probabilities at least as far as Ed and Samantha being very good friends. But if it was a prop, it will show up in other photos, I'm sure. Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Mar 19^th, 2023 at 10:02pm by rollingblock »

	IP Logged

rollingblock Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 372 Location: Texas part of New Mexico Joined: Aug 19^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #238 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	rollingblock wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 9:39pm: MrTipUp wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:50am: . . . that rifle must have been a prop in the photography store. And also the fancy double gun belt, its loops filled with what could well be cartridges for the Sharps? I'd say that's stretching probabilities at least as far as Ed and Samantha being very good friends. But if it was a prop, it will show up in other photos, I'm sure. Bill Lawrence For all the WAG historians… Ed Schieffelin’s 19-pound, 13-ounce Model 1874 Sporting Rifle in .45-110 (27⁄8-inch straight case) chambering. Originally sold to N. Curry & Co. of San Francisco on August 27, 1878, it was later sold to Schieffelin, who founded Tombstone, Arizona Territory. Page 172 Marcot’s model 74 book.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #239 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 6:25am	Print Post
	Sharps picture enlarged and flipped.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #240 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:42am	Print Post
	To me, several clues suggest this is a posed photo. Firstly, the "buckskins" appear to be considerably too big, apparently worn over a suit jacket, and to be made of cloth. Secondly, that's a Model 1852 "slant breech" Sharps. Even if out of necessity it had somehow been converted to cartridge, by the time the photo was taken (say circa 1875) it would've been more likely a photographer's prop than a working gun. In any case, that's a rifle not often seen in period photos. Bill Lawrence
	« Last Edit: Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:54am by MrTipUp »

	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #241 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	I thought he was out on the prairie getting ready to make a stand on a big herd of bufflers. Thanks for pointing out all the details Bill. Oh, how would one convert a 53 to a cartridge gun?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #242 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	Oh, how would one convert a 53 to a cartridge gun? I could only begin to guess, Joe. But I'd bet there were smiths back then, Gove especially, who could likely have done it. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #243 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 1:55pm	Print Post
	Looking for a husband. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 835 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #244 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	I know the young lady on the right is holding a Stevens tip up, but is the other lady holding a Quackenbush rifle?


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #245 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Yes, the lady on the right - I love her Oakley-style hat! - is holding a Quackenbush "Safety Rifle" in . 22 RF, patented on February 23rd, 1886, # 336586 and put into production a bit earlier. The lady on the left is costumed like the "Indian Princess" we saw early in this thread, who together with her complimentary-dressed husband were professional sharpshooters (I don't think we ever learned their "stage" names). In any case, I'm also pretty sure this "Indian" is NOT Oakley's would-be rival, "Princess Wenona", real name Lillian Smith. However, she might just be Nellie Smith, Lillian’s younger sister, who was also an accomplished sharpshooter. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #246 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	I look at this picture and see a pair of adolescent girls, not full-growed women working as sharpshooters, or anything else probably. The one in the cowgirl hat even resembles one of my g'daughters if I don't look too closely.


	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #247 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 9:24pm	Print Post
	Or looking for the woman who stole her husband, or both!!

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #248 - Mar 29^th, 2023 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Buffalo Bill holding a rolling block. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #249 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	I do believe that the rifle in Bill's arms is not "a rolling block" but "THE rolling block" - the famous Lucretia Borgia. If so, I also think this is the earliest photo I've seen of that legend-making pair. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #250 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Needle gun? Geez..... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 835 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #251 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	You would think that a museum would get things right. Interesting read otherwise.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #252 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	It had firing pin that resembled a needle. And It could have been referred to as a needle gun back in those days. But its a Springfield trapdoor not a rolling block. I'm confused...

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

oodmoff Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 275 Location: colorado springs Joined: Jan 12^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #253 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 6:06pm: Needle gun? Geez..... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) An AutoBiography of Buffalo Bill (Colonnel W.F. Cody) first edition 1920, later reprinted Quote from Chapter 5 When there were no buffalo to hunt I tried the experiment of hitching Brigham to one of our railroad scrapers, but he was not gaited for that sort of work. I had about given up the idea of extending his usefulness to railroading when news came that buffaloes were coming over the hill. There had been none in the vicinity for some time. As a consequence, meat was scarce. I took the harness from Brigham, mounted him bareback and started after the game, being armed with my new buffalo killer which I had named "Lucretia Borgia," an improved breech-loading needle-gun which I had obtained from the Government. As I was riding toward the buffaloes I observed five men coming from the fort. They, too, had seen the herd and had come to join the chase. As I neared them I saw that they were officers, newly arrived at the fort, a captain and four lieutenants. Quote Also from Chapter 5 Buffaloes were plentiful. It had been agreed that we should go into the herd at the same time and make our "runs," each man killing as many animals as possible. A referee followed each of us, horseback, and counted the buffaloes killed by each man. The excursionists and other spectators rode out to the hunting-grounds in wagons and on horseback, keeping well out of sight of the buffaloes, so as not to frighten them until the time came for us to dash into the herd. They were permitted to approach closely enough to see what was going on. For the first "run" we were fortunate in getting good ground. Comstock was mounted on his favorite horse. I rode old Brigham. I felt confident that I had the advantage in two things: first, I had the best buffalo horse in the country; second, I was using what was known at the time as a needle-gun, a breech-loading Springfield rifle, caliber .50. This was "Lucretia," the weapon of which I have already told you. Comstock's Henry rifle, though it could fire more rapidly than mine, did not, I felt certain, carry powder and lead enough to equal my weapon in execution. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	« Last Edit: Mar 30^th, 2023 at 7:21pm by oodmoff »

	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #254 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 6:38pm: It had firing pin that resembled a needle. And It could have been referred to as a needle gun back in those days. But its a Springfield trapdoor not a rolling block. I'm confused... Okay so House wasn't right and wasn't wrong but what is Bill?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #255 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	I have always presumed that the designation "needle gun" in the quoted text was just an early designation for a cartridge gun having a breech mechanism that vaguely resembled the German-patent Dreyse-designed guns that were characterized by a relatively long and thin "needle" that penetrated a paper-bodied cartridge to some depth before denoting the internal cap/primer. Such firearms had a brief mid-1800s popularity in Europe, were also patented in the US by John Klein in 1849, and were made here in relatively small numbers by George Forster of Taunton, Massachusetts. And to answer Joe's question, Bill is embarrassed! Lucretia Borgia was indeed a trapdoor, not a rolling block. (Getting old is pigeon poop!) Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #256 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	Not so fast Bill. If someone had asked me, I would have said it was Custer and his rolling block named Lecretia Borgia. I had to look it up.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #257 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:49pm	Print Post
	Oh come now, Joe; that ain't George Armstrong. Plus I'm pretty sure that Custer's rolling block was a sporter. Which does lead into a question. Since the rolling block has three barrel bands, it's a Remington rather than a Springfield, right? Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #258 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	I knew that wasn't Custer in the picture but I did think it was Custer who had a rifle named Lucrecia Borgia. I get Custer and Cody mixed up. Dialectic I am.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #259 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	I think this gentleman is fond of his Ballard. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #260 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	powderman wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 5:01pm: I think this gentleman is fond of his Ballard. Regards, powderman Yes, and his Ballard is either a pre-Marlin, or a first year Marlin using the leftover Brown lever as it has the open loop and pinned frame.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #261 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	And if the cartridges in his bandolier are for his rifle, I'd guess the chambering is either .44 RF or .38 RF. Would that make the rifle more likely pre-Marlin? Bill Lawrence.


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #262 - Apr 19^th, 2023 at 11:09am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:58pm: And if the cartridges in his bandolier are for his rifle, I'd guess the chambering is either .44 RF or .38 RF. Would that make the rifle more likely pre-Marlin? Bill Lawrence. Without seeing the priming system on his cartridges, it's tough to say either way. Pre-Marlin were rimfire, but Marlin were reversible firing pins, so they shot both RF or CF. Unfortunately his hand and the sling are hiding the rear of the receiver so I can't see if it's rimfire/percussion like a Brown Ballard, or strictly cartridge like a Marlin Ballard. Also can't see if it has the Brown external ejector that was mounted into the forearm near the receiver.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #263 - Apr 23^rd, 2023 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	I think this gentleman is rethinking his choice of a buffalo rifle. Regards powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #264 - Apr 23^rd, 2023 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	At worst he could try taking on a grizzly. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1010 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #265 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	Excellent book on Custer's rifles. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	Halt Fest! Ziel Gut! Schiess Fleck!
	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #266 - Apr 27^th, 2023 at 12:16am	Print Post
	I didn't see a price and it's currently not available.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #267 - Apr 27^th, 2023 at 9:38am	Print Post
	That particular copy is still available at $137.00 plus shipping. Other copies are available for much less and much more on bookfinder.com. Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

Old Soldier Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 261 Location: North Pole, Alaska Joined: Oct 17^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #268 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 12:37am	Print Post
	I have that book and did not pay near that much for it. Try ABE Books. Likely where I got it.

	"White man have very strong Medicine. Shoot today maybeso kill you tomorrow." Esa-Tai Commanche warrior
	IP Logged

Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 3955 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #269 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 9:43am	Print Post
	I see a few pictures of natives with buffalo rifles. Jerry Potts was a Peigan War Chief and was also the Scout for the Northwest Mounted Police and he supplied buffalo for them with his .44 Henry Rimfire 1866 Winchester rifle. Although it was not a single shot the 1866 Winchester shot a 200 grain bullet that had a velocity of 1,125 fps and 568 ft. lb. Pictures of the remains of Jerry's firearms that shot 40 native warriors over his life time and many buffalos. I believe Custer's last sporting rifle was a Remington .50-70 Rolling Block Sporter with a 28" barrel and single set trigger that he ordered in 1872 and received in 1873. Larry Potterfield building a replica: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	« Last Edit: Apr 28^th, 2023 at 10:10am by Schuetzendave »

	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #270 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 10:49am	Print Post
	I had a friend that must have learned firearms care from Jerry.


	IP Logged

Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 3955 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #271 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 11:44am	Print Post
	After Jerry's death his weapons were buried on a creek near Raymond, Alberta where we believe he was born. We do not know why the rifle was smashed up. Someone dug up the remains and they ended up in the Fort Whoop Up Museum who sold them with their rifle collection. Present owner is trying to return them to the Piikani Peigan Nation I grew up with Jerry's grandson with the same name and wish to get the history on the practice of burying weapons after death next time I see him.


	IP Logged

calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3487 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #272 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	I figured it must have been something like that, but I couldn't help making the crack about George's guns. He once left them with me while he was working out of the country. I didn't want 'em in the room with my own, lest they get whatever disease they were carrying.


	IP Logged

Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 835 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #273 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:34am	Print Post
	Henry “Sam” Colvin


	IP Logged

Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #274 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 9:12am	Print Post
	bust of king Tut being carried from his stone condo. no shoes on carrier and a Martini in case he comes alive. is that an empty holster?

	WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. Let's Go Sonny!
	IP Logged

JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1204 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #275 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 10:15am	Print Post
	Rebel wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 9:12am: is that an empty holster? Maybe a bandolier/cartridge pouch?

	I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
	IP Logged

yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 812 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #276 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	Photo of King Tut taken on our Oct-Nov. 2022 trip to Egypt and Iseral.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #277 - May 8^th, 2023 at 1:20am	Print Post
	A couple of single shot fans. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #278 - May 8^th, 2023 at 7:18am	Print Post
	Armed beyond their teeth! And printed in reverse. Is the Sharps the only cartridge single shot? (The men to the left seem to be holding, respectively, a Spencer and a full-stock plains rifle, while the gun laying on the floor appears to be a shotgun.) In any case, a really great photo! Bill Lawrence


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #279 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	A babe and her well used Remington No.3 Sporting rifle through the years. Agusta Wallihan Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #280 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	more Agusta


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #281 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	more Agusta


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #282 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	Time marches on. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

sureshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #283 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	Agusta looks like one tough cookie!! And I like her choice of rifle. Steve.


	IP Logged

mes Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 486 Location: Van Dyne, Wisconsin Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #284 - Apr 6^th, 2024 at 7:48am	Print Post
	That Tut guy looks dead. Maybe they should bury him.

	Martin Stenback
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #285 - Apr 6^th, 2024 at 11:15am	Print Post
	If I remember correctly, Augusta lived in the Craig Colorado area.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #286 - Apr 6^th, 2024 at 12:36pm	Print Post
	Did a little snooping, and found that Augusta and her husband lived in or near a very small town of Lay, which no longer exists. It was due west of Craig on the highway to Maybel CO. Near where I used to hunt deer and antelope some 50 years ago.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #287 - Apr 6^th, 2024 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	I type in a search for Lay, CO and got this: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
	YIM AIM IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #288 - Apr 7^th, 2024 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	frnkeore Same photo and info I stumbled on, different source. I need to learn how to post info and photographs, or just wait for someone else to do the work. But do find it interesting and informative. Thanks for posting. Krag

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #289 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	A Ballard fan and a Model 1885 fan. Almost looks like all three hit the deer. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #290 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	The guy in the middle has what appears to me to be a Mauser 1871 sporting rifle. Very high end. Double set triggers, pistol grip checkered stock, full length rib, probably has a pop up tang sight that lays flush in the tang. That's a VERY unusual rifle for the time in such a primitive setting. Inquiring minds want to know!

	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

sureshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #291 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	That is a very cool Mauser. Great photo! I like his dog too! Steve. 😁


	IP Logged

oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3751 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #292 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 1:54pm	Print Post
	Looks more like one of the early Mannlichers. These guys probably guided a European hunting party around 1890 and were rewarded with one of the European's rifle.
	« Last Edit: Apr 8^th, 2024 at 2:03pm by oneatatime »

	IP Logged

frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #293 - Apr 9^th, 2024 at 2:22am	Print Post
	It looks like it has a En Bloc magazine, like a 1888 Commission rifle (with carbine bolt handle).
	« Last Edit: Apr 9^th, 2024 at 2:44am by frnkeore »
	ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
	YIM AIM IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #294 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 9:47am	Print Post
	Must have been a fairly early season hunt with as heavy a velvet as those antlers have! Some nice old classic guns for all three men!

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

silver Full Member Offline Posts: 171 Location: Central wi, Joined: Sep 20^th, 2016	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #295 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Compared to the hi wall the Ballard barrel looks very heavy


	IP Logged

sureshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #296 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 3:47pm	Print Post
	Ballard looks like a heavy barreled Pacific model.


	IP Logged

Nero Oldtimer Offline Posts: 987 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #297 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	I expect if you wanted to eat in those days you went out and got it and never mind the season. Incidentally when were seasons for hunting brought in. Those fellows not like the woke delicate flowers of today.


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #298 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	sureshot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 3:47pm: Ballard looks like a heavy barreled Pacific model. It might even be the #5 1/2 Montana model that all had extra heavy barrels, and were chambered in big cartridges!

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

sureshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #299 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	That would have been my guess too Vall if it had a shotgun butt.


	IP Logged

curdog Junior Member Offline Posts: 61 Joined: Feb 26^th, 2022	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #300 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	The guy in the middle must have come into some money. His boots are real shiny too.....


	IP Logged

JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1204 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #301 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 12:27am	Print Post
	I'm not seeing a wiping rod on the Ballard and am not sure that it's an octagon barrel. Could it maybe be a heavy barrel Far West 1 3/4 Rifle?
	« Last Edit: Apr 12^th, 2024 at 12:34am by JerryH »
	I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
	IP Logged

frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #302 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 4:05am	Print Post
	I can't make out any thimbles or a cleaning rod on the Ballard, either. My rich mans rifle
	« Last Edit: Apr 12^th, 2024 at 4:15am by frnkeore »
	ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
	YIM AIM IP Logged

kootne Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 429 Location: Libby, Mt. Joined: Mar 6^th, 2012	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #303 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:38am	Print Post
	If you look close at the Ballard, the thimbles are there. one just above his hand and one a few inches below the muzzle. They are reflecting the light in a way that makes them appear as white in the photo.

	You can't make good decisions without good information.
	IP Logged

Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 442 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #304 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 11:47am	Print Post
	I think Kootne may be correct as the forearm also appears to be shaped like the Pacific model.

	Richard Crown-C Ranch in the Flinthills NRA Life Member ASSRA Member # 10366 Member & Founders Society, Cody Firearms Museum Veteran
	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15746 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #305 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	sureshot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 9:31pm: That would have been my guess too Vall if it had a shotgun butt. Good eye! I missed the crescent buttplate.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1204 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #306 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	Ok, now I see the spots on the Ballard barrel. One thing for certain, I wouldn't want to have any one of those guys (or their dogs) mad at me.

	I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1823 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #307 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	A good friend had a dog the spittin image of the one on the left. You for sure would not want him chasing you. His name was HD, short for Hell Dog.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #308 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:09pm	Print Post
	A boy on the lookout for dinner. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #309 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:13pm	Print Post
	Looks like the Model 1885 in Reply#289 has a set trigger. Those boys didn't fool around.


	IP Logged

powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 312 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #310 - Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 12:53pm	Print Post
	Babes with their Winchesters. Regards, powderman


	IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: [1]

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

ASSRA Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge

Page completed in 1.6448 seconds.