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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #255 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	I have always presumed that the designation "needle gun" in the quoted text was just an early designation for a cartridge gun having a breech mechanism that vaguely resembled the German-patent Dreyse-designed guns that were characterized by a relatively long and thin "needle" that penetrated a paper-bodied cartridge to some depth before denoting the internal cap/primer. Such firearms had a brief mid-1800s popularity in Europe, were also patented in the US by John Klein in 1849, and were made here in relatively small numbers by George Forster of Taunton, Massachusetts. And to answer Joe's question, Bill is embarrassed! Lucretia Borgia was indeed a trapdoor, not a rolling block. (Getting old is pigeon poop!) Bill Lawrence


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #256 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	Not so fast Bill. If someone had asked me, I would have said it was Custer and his rolling block named Lecretia Borgia. I had to look it up.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #257 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:49pm	Print Post
	Oh come now, Joe; that ain't George Armstrong. Plus I'm pretty sure that Custer's rolling block was a sporter. Which does lead into a question. Since the rolling block has three barrel bands, it's a Remington rather than a Springfield, right? Bill Lawrence


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #258 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	I knew that wasn't Custer in the picture but I did think it was Custer who had a rifle named Lucrecia Borgia. I get Custer and Cody mixed up. Dialectic I am.

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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 313 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #259 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	I think this gentleman is fond of his Ballard. Regards, powderman


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #260 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	powderman wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 5:01pm: I think this gentleman is fond of his Ballard. Regards, powderman Yes, and his Ballard is either a pre-Marlin, or a first year Marlin using the leftover Brown lever as it has the open loop and pinned frame.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #261 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	And if the cartridges in his bandolier are for his rifle, I'd guess the chambering is either .44 RF or .38 RF. Would that make the rifle more likely pre-Marlin? Bill Lawrence.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #262 - Apr 19^th, 2023 at 11:09am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:58pm: And if the cartridges in his bandolier are for his rifle, I'd guess the chambering is either .44 RF or .38 RF. Would that make the rifle more likely pre-Marlin? Bill Lawrence. Without seeing the priming system on his cartridges, it's tough to say either way. Pre-Marlin were rimfire, but Marlin were reversible firing pins, so they shot both RF or CF. Unfortunately his hand and the sling are hiding the rear of the receiver so I can't see if it's rimfire/percussion like a Brown Ballard, or strictly cartridge like a Marlin Ballard. Also can't see if it has the Brown external ejector that was mounted into the forearm near the receiver.

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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 313 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #263 - Apr 23^rd, 2023 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	I think this gentleman is rethinking his choice of a buffalo rifle. Regards powderman


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #264 - Apr 23^rd, 2023 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	At worst he could try taking on a grizzly. Bill Lawrence


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1018 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #265 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	Excellent book on Custer's rifles. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #266 - Apr 27^th, 2023 at 12:16am	Print Post
	I didn't see a price and it's currently not available.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #267 - Apr 27^th, 2023 at 9:38am	Print Post
	That particular copy is still available at $137.00 plus shipping. Other copies are available for much less and much more on bookfinder.com. Bill Lawrence


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Old Soldier Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 261 Location: North Pole, Alaska Joined: Oct 17^th, 2015	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #268 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 12:37am	Print Post
	I have that book and did not pay near that much for it. Try ABE Books. Likely where I got it.

	"White man have very strong Medicine. Shoot today maybeso kill you tomorrow." Esa-Tai Commanche warrior
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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 3957 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Some single shots back in the day. Reply #269 - Apr 28^th, 2023 at 9:43am	Print Post
	I see a few pictures of natives with buffalo rifles. Jerry Potts was a Peigan War Chief and was also the Scout for the Northwest Mounted Police and he supplied buffalo for them with his .44 Henry Rimfire 1866 Winchester rifle. Although it was not a single shot the 1866 Winchester shot a 200 grain bullet that had a velocity of 1,125 fps and 568 ft. lb. Pictures of the remains of Jerry's firearms that shot 40 native warriors over his life time and many buffalos. I believe Custer's last sporting rifle was a Remington .50-70 Rolling Block Sporter with a 28" barrel and single set trigger that he ordered in 1872 and received in 1873. Larry Potterfield building a replica: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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