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ndnchf Oldtimer Offline Posts: 987 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #45 - May 10^th, 2023 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 5:28pm: Here’s a couple pictures of my .25-21 44 1/2’s bore, and pictures of a Stevens folding rear sight, 5/16” dovetail. I'm curious about the groove diameter of your barrel. Mine was a surprise at 253".


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #46 - May 10^th, 2023 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	Upon further reflection...... Slugged the bore of my new-to-me 1896 Model 45 s/n 4834 just now. Six lands and grooves, land width ~.050" vs. grooved width ~.120", (so much for my eyeball evaluation of yesterday). Groove diameter is .2582 at the breech end. That gives us a baseline for comparison. Muzzle is disappointingly funneled from (I assume) improper cleaning.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3758 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #47 - May 10^th, 2023 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	I found the discussion of barrel size markings and measured barrel sizes interesting. I had to go take a look at my 44/45 25-20 SS (serial in the 8 thousands) again and dig out the Starrett. The barrel is marked "2" and measures .895 at the breech and .738 at the 28 inch muzzle. At the 26 inch point it is .755. The rifling looks jut like the previous photos and measures .257.


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #48 - May 10^th, 2023 at 5:05pm	Print Post
	ndnchf wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 12:23pm: Sure shot wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 5:28pm: Here’s a couple pictures of my .25-21 44 1/2’s bore, and pictures of a Stevens folding rear sight, 5/16” dovetail. I'm curious about the groove diameter of your barrel. Mine was a surprise at 253". I slugged the bore, I came up with about .258, I only have a cheap plastic dial caliper.


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ndnchf Oldtimer Offline Posts: 987 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #49 - May 10^th, 2023 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	I stopped at the gun club on the way home from work to test fire it with my one cartridge. I set up the chronograph too. First I fired 5 shots, using a known load of .32-20 from a #2 rolling block over the chrono just to make sure it was working properly - it was. So then I set up with the .25-25. As mentioned before, it was loaded with 23.2gr of Old Eynsford 3F under an 88.5gr Winchester bullet and a CCI SP primer. It fired and extracted just fine. I was a little surprised by the bark! Even more surprised when I looked at the chrono and saw 1654fps. A lot of 3F under that little bullet really gets it moving. I don't know if original BP cartridges were loaded with 2F or 3F. I'm not looking for high speed, but it did deliver I have more brass coming and am looking forward to more shooting. I think I need to cast bullets a little harder than usual to.cope with the higher velocities.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #50 - May 10^th, 2023 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	In one of the catalogs they mention using 2F in the .25-21. Flat trajectory was the selling point for the .25-25. This before they had gas checks, too.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #51 - May 10^th, 2023 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	You look very snazzy, all duded up, Steve; it's mostly the tie. All kidding aside, I'm glad to have a bench report on that rifle. I assume it doesn't have a lugged hammer, but also that with black powder, it doesn't need one. Bill Lawrence


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ndnchf Oldtimer Offline Posts: 987 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #52 - May 11^th, 2023 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 9:17pm: You look very snazzy, all duded up, Steve; it's mostly the tie. All kidding aside, I'm glad to have a bench report on that rifle. I assume it doesn't have a lugged hammer, but also that with black powder, it doesn't need one. Bill Lawrence Thanks Bill. I was on the way home from the office where I often wear bow tie As I said, I'm completely new to Stevens rifles. I wouldn't know a lugged hammer from a non-lugged hammer if it bit me on the butt. I have not taken the rifle apart yet. Is disassembly needed to tell the difference? I just noticed this marking on the right side of the barrel about 1 5" ahead of the receiver. Perhaps the original owner's initials?


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #53 - May 11^th, 2023 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	A .25-25 does not need and will not have the lug.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #54 - May 11^th, 2023 at 8:51pm	Print Post
	From Stevens #52 catalog reprint on the .25-25 and .25-21.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1035 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #55 - May 11^th, 2023 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 8:51pm: From Stevens #52 catalog reprint on the .25-25 and .25-21. Does that catalog have the “Pope Stevens “ section? Interesting load data is found there.


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #56 - May 11^th, 2023 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	No, it says to send for the Stevens-Pope specialties catalog. Catalog #50 has the Stevens-Pope info and load data.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1035 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #57 - May 11^th, 2023 at 10:19pm	Print Post
	That was out of the #50, 1902, I think Cornell reprint.


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ndnchf Oldtimer Offline Posts: 987 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #58 - May 12^th, 2023 at 4:45am	Print Post
	Great information - thanks guys. No lug on my hammer. I have an Arsenal 257420 mold that casts a really nice 71.5gr bullet. Its a little light, but should be good to start with. I also have a very early Ideal 25720 mold marked 86. But oddly, it casts a .274" diameter bullet I need to check the barrel twist.


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Gun show find the next day - Stevens model 44 Reply #59 - May 12^th, 2023 at 7:03am	Print Post
	According to the Stevens catalogs the twist should be 1 in 13”. 1 in 17” if they mistakenly used a .25 rimfire barrel.


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