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Reply #30 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 6:34pm
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This is veering from the original poster's question but I hope he doesn't mind.
On a few other internet places I read about how some guy took one gun, one barrel, cleaned it, shot a group of three or five, measuring their velocity, cut an inch off the barrel, and repeated the process from a 24" barrel down to a 16" barrel.  He claimed from that point on that the best velocity was obtained at 16.5".   
For the sake of science (and personal interest) I've dove down this rabbit hole and I must say it's been a very deep one.  I rarely take someone's opinion if it's backed by "marginal" proof.  It's taken some time and it's still in process but I'm doing an experiment with a single gun/single barrel but I'm not cutting it off at the muzzle, it's at the chamber end so the last thing the bullet remembers about that firearm is the same... AHAH!
 
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I have many folks that reply similar to how you did.  Practical and realistic use of the double deuce beyond 100 yards..?   
I compete with CF shooting out to a mile a couple times per year, and several times to the 1000 yd ranges.  The d-deuce at 400 is very similar in reaction and results, taking less real-estate -in other words - fits on my range.
I also use several d-deuce singles, semi-autos, and gate latch guns when we go for prairie poodles on the north 40K acres.  With fragmenting bullets, we shoot in and amongst the stock with exceptional results and no issues.  With some of our setups, the rodent's mortality runs high - both in direct and wound results.  With full mags, good scopes and laser range finders, 500 yards is still an effective range - the little pill still has about 30'# at delivery and scooting along at 600 f/sec. - the poodles know they've been hit.  These don't get the gory results like my CF 22's, 6's, 6.5's or .30's but the threat from strays has proved non-existent.
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Re: Round or octagonal barrels
Reply #31 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 6:51pm
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I like round or octagonal barrels. I also like half round and half octagonal barrels. I also like fluted barrels. 

I'm not a good enough shot to tell the difference as to which shape is more accurate so I don't think about it.

Don't think I would like a barrel that was half round and half octagon if the round half were at the breech end. Well,,, maybe I would. Never had one like that.   Huh
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Reply #32 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm
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Joe I need to try and do one of those someday.   
Might actually be a new shingle shot falling block fad. 
After I do one in metal flake red with Flames.
  

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Reply #33 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 7:36pm
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I think that a round would be the most accurate.   On the outside, tapering from small at the chamber to larger at the muzzle would be the best.  Cutting a flat side on a round blank? Eight of them? what does that really do to the insides when you think about it? In theory it should take the bore out of round, does that make eight grooves and lands better if you are going with an octagon barrel?

Sorry for the earlier drift.
  

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Reply #34 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 7:38pm
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GT wrote on Dec 13th, 2021 at 6:34pm:
This is veering from the original poster's question but I hope he doesn't mind.
On a few other internet places I read about how some guy took one gun, one barrel, cleaned it, shot a group of three or five, measuring their velocity, cut an inch off the barrel, and repeated the process from a 24" barrel down to a 16" barrel.  He claimed from that point on that the best velocity was obtained at 16.5".   
For the sake of science (and personal interest) I've dove down this rabbit hole and I must say it's been a very deep one.  I rarely take someone's opinion if it's backed by "marginal" proof.  It's taken some time and it's still in process but I'm doing an experiment with a single gun/single barrel but I'm not cutting it off at the muzzle, it's at the chamber end so the last thing the bullet remembers about that firearm is the same... AHAH!
 
Merkava,
I have many folks that reply similar to how you did.  Practical and realistic use of the double deuce beyond 100 yards..?  
I compete with CF shooting out to a mile a couple times per year, and several times to the 1000 yd ranges.  The d-deuce at 400 is very similar in reaction and results, taking less real-estate -in other words - fits on my range.
I also use several d-deuce singles, semi-autos, and gate latch guns when we go for prairie poodles on the north 40K acres.  With fragmenting bullets, we shoot in and amongst the stock with exceptional results and no issues.  With some of our setups, the rodent's mortality runs high - both in direct and wound results.  With full mags, good scopes and laser range finders, 500 yards is still an effective range - the little pill still has about 30'# at delivery and scooting along at 600 f/sec. - the poodles know they've been hit.  These don't get the gory results like my CF 22's, 6's, 6.5's or .30's but the threat from strays has proved non-existent.
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It seems like the effective range of a 22 past about 200 yards, depend more on your ability to measure distance than bullet performance. 

By 400 yards, a 5 yard mistake in range often has more vertical error than your target standing on hind legs. Cheesy
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 7:54pm
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Actually all about the conditions and learning to compensate.
  

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Reply #36 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 8:16pm
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JLouis wrote on Dec 13th, 2021 at 7:54pm:
Actually all about the conditions and learning to compensate.


Not quite completely true. In target shooting with known distances, I agree. Field shooting or hunting, as being discussed, it’s false.

A standard velocity, 1050 fps 40 grain bullet, zeroed at 100 yards, drops about 2” every yard at 400 yards

So a 5 yard mistake of range in a perfect world, nets you 10” or more vertical error. It only gets worse in a real world.

Or to out it another way, if you have compensated, as you put it, for an error in distance, you’re not compensating at all. You have learned the actual distance, and you are no longer compensating.
  
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Re: Round or octagonal barrels
Reply #37 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 1:06am
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The bottom line is if you can hit what you're shooting at, at what ever distance you're shooting, that is all that matters. Some are better at it than others. 
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Re: Round or octagonal barrels
Reply #38 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 1:12am
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Don’t mind at all drifting from the question at hand. Decided to go with a round profile.
Thanks for the lead regarding the Bridgeport but looking for a 48” table.
Carry on!
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Reply #39 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:30am
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Totally agree Dellet it takes both.
  

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Re: Round or octagonal barrels
Reply #40 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:31am
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I've got a Hepburn a friend is rebarreling currently with a .40-65 Green Mountain barrel in #4 weight full octagon. Have another Rolling Block that has the same barrel in full round I put together many years ago.
So once the Hepburn project is completed I'm planning on taking the same loads and both guns to the range, and test the round vs. octagon theory. With the only difference being the actions they're on, maybe I can see which of the two shoots smaller groups at various distances. The old round barrel Roller has been a wonderful rifle, and proved to be very accurate. So hope the full octagon is it's equal.
  

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