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rmc Participating Member Offline Posts: 44 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2009	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #60 - May 29^th, 2018 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Joe, I'm with Frank on this one.............. DC


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #61 - May 29^th, 2018 at 11:43am	Print Post
	I suppose the forearm screw is too far forward to use as the attachment point, even if the palm rest bends/swivels and can be locked? Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #62 - May 29^th, 2018 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	I think you should make up a bunch of that style that clamps the barrel/forearm! I know somebody who'd like one!

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3491 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #63 - May 30^th, 2018 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	Well, he certainly hung out in better classes of hawk shops than me.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #64 - May 30^th, 2018 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	Interesting that someone would purchase a gun from a pawn shop and keep the tag on it all these years? Not sure I'd agree with it being a pawn shop tag. I'd lean towards a collection, or museum tag.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3491 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #65 - Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	Where'd this thread dissapear to? It's too much fun to lose. It'll be like the German commision rifle of 1888 (I have one), nobody will be happy when the Ballard gets done. 'Cept maybe Joe.


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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #66 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	Stock grip style: I vote for the "S" pistol grip, more along the lines that Stevens used. Tag: I wonder is this tag is a museum tag from the Henry A. Numacher collection that was once a part of the Milwaukee Public Museum? I can't find my book right now.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #67 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 11:06pm	Print Post
	The collector's name was Henry J. Nunnemacher. His Ballard collection was in the Milwaukee Public Museum through at least the early 1970s, but the internet seems silent on where it might be today or even if it still exists. Bill Lawrence


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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #68 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 12:34am	Print Post
	Here is the book I was referring to. Once I found it I couldn't find a picture of a tag like yours. The reference numbers for the rifles are all "N95xx" so it is not from his collection.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #69 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 10:55am	Print Post
	I suppose the Milwaukie Museum sold off the collection quietly and wont tell the public. I've always wondered where it went also? That's the bad part of donating anything to a museum. Doesn't matter what your will says about the disposal; they can do what they want once the items are in their possession.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7142 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #70 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	That is a excellent book but, it was done in 1945 and because of how small it is and the B&W graphics, there isn't enough detail for me. Here is a picture of the butt stocks in it for Joe. Frank

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #71 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:21am	Print Post
	Joe, How about doing then all for testing and evaluation? You could report to the forum.

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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cleanprone Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 17^th, 2015	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #72 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:40am	Print Post
	Nunnemacher collection- if I recall the criticism of the Ballard rifles in the pamphlet was that many were "FrankenBallards. Also seems we know so much more now with research such as Dutchers work and much better photography. As to the disposition of the Museums collection I won't speculate. When I visited the Museum in the 70s (specifically to see the Centennial Meunier) everything rifle related was "in storage." The Meunier ML schuetzen rifle is now featured on the museums web page. It is stunning.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #73 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:45am	Print Post
	FrankenBallard or Frankenstein anything is an overused description by many gun collectors. And often misused in the case of custom schuetzen rifles. I hear people describing fine schuetzen rifles built by famous gunmakers as Frankenstein guns and I wonder how they got so ignorant? There are a good number of poorly built, or poorly assembled schuetzen rifles, but those done correctly surely shouldn't be grouped into the same category. Especially when one sees what the well done schuetzen rifles sell for. Often more than if they were still original as they left the factory.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2797 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Mystery Ballard Reply #74 - Jun 7^th, 2018 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 10:55am: I suppose the Milwaukie Museum sold off the collection quietly and wont tell the public. I've always wondered where it went also? That's the bad part of donating anything to a museum. Doesn't matter what your will says about the disposal; they can do what they want once the items are in their possession. I made a back-channel inquiry re the Nunnemacher Collection and the Milwaukee County Museum. I know a guy who knows one of the curators. He was on the phone with the curator when he received my e-mail. The Museum still has it, but it is locked away and with the present anti-gun movement & general level of crime, etc, may never be shown again. Apparently you cannot even make an appointment to see it, but you can ask questions about any particular item. The collection contains a lot more than just Ballards.


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