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Reply #105 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 6:53pm
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And if it is a 44 in 32-40 does it have the lugged breechblock?
  
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Reply #106 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:40pm
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
And if it is a 44 in 32-40 does it have the lugged breechblock?


It should--not that there aren't exceptions to most of the "rules." But if you've got it, can't you tell?
  
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Reply #107 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:46pm
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I could, but that question was directed to the owner, Chowboy.
  
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Reply #108 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:49pm
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
I could, but that question was directed to the owner, Chowboy.


Sorry--lost track of who had what.

PS--Reread his original post. Looks like the gun he bought was not a 44-1/2 as mis-described to him, since it has the '94 pat date.
  
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Reply #109 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 1:10am
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I have logged as many .32-40s without the lugged hammer as with, for what that's worth. 
  

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Reply #110 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 11:04am
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That's interesting. Were the lugged ones early or late or mixed in?
  
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Reply #111 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:35pm
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More or less mixed.  There's two lugged hammers in the log in the low four digit numbers, then none until a cluster of four shows up at 27xxx, all .32-40s, then after that its one at 29679 and one more at 46107.   

I think they may be under-counted due to the fact that I'm mainly getting data from common online broker sites.  The high grade ones made for Schuetzen duty and chambered .32-40 are IMHO more likely to sell at real auctions like Cowans, and I have not been trolling those sites for data.   

I can actually only point to one .32-40 that definitely doesn't have the lugged hammer.   The rest of my entries that don't tick the "yes" box are ???  Most Gunbroker sellers don't know what a lugged hammer is, and/or won't bother answering my queries when I see a .32-40 for sale.  Two or three specimens I need to annoy an ASSRA member to verify.   

One curious factoid that emerges is that so many lugged hammers appear well above the 16000 range where the central extractor appears.  According to catalogs, that was 1901-1903.  But in 1903 they quit offering the 44 action for any centerfire larger than .32-20.   Now can this be?  My hypotheses are too sketchy to be worth recording.
  

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Reply #112 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 1:01pm
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Do you have my #10551 (top), lugged hammer, 7 o'clock extractor logged? It came with a #3 barrel.

My other one is a 44/45 DST, 6 o'clock, lugged hammer #18040. This one came with a #2 barrel. Only the action is original on this one.

Both rifles are originally 32/40. The lower one is now 22RF.

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I can actually only point to one .32-40 that definitely doesn't have the lugged hammer.


Could the above, have been a re-barreled one, using a Stevens barrel?

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Reply #113 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 1:12pm
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Yes, Frank, but that was one of those where the presence of the hammer lug wasn't confirmed.  Thanks!   I've updated the matrix.  

I see it has a Lyman tang....what is the front sight?  And I assume it has the usual period barrel rollstamp?   

Phil

I did not have 18040 logged at all.  It's a 45 with DST in .32-40.  Again, what were the original sights?   

I haven't been logging barrel weights.  Ought to, but data would be very hard to come by.  Online sellers are even more ignorant about that.  
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Reply #114 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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10551, had the Rocky Mountain front sight, as seen in the 1898 catalog. The rear sight was actually a #1, I changed out the staff, from a #2 and put a 7A on the front, when I was shooting it.

The 45 was in sad shape when I bought it, in 1986. It had a broken stock but, the #2 Schuetzen butt plate was still there. The #2 barrel wasn't any good inside (in those days, it wasn't worth anything) so, I threw it away and don't remember any sights on it. There wasn't a rear sight on the tang, either.

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My guess on the 45, is that it was bought for either a woman or a young man, because of the #2 barrel. I'm sure that it must have had some fairly good sights, at least a #2 tang and one of the hooded front sights, possibly with wind-gauge. We'll never know Sad


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