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Re: Need advice to re-barrel an 1885 low wall
Reply #15 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 4:16pm
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Yes, the +P .38 loads would be fine. Even with the fat pin, if yours does have that. Most do. 
I don't quite understand your incessant desire to "go for a little more" with every caliber though. It isn't gonna make a sudden deer rifle out of it, and would likely just be somewhat less accurate. Try, instead slower heavy bullets like some have been suggesting. You probably will like it so much that the boy won't get it from you.... while yer alive! Wink
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 4:42pm
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I know that you are right about bullet velocity being somewhat less important than accuracy and fun. My favorite rifle is a 62 cal flintlock--definitely slower than any other rifle I know, but I shoot it every chance I get because it is fun. So i know you are right. 

But I also want to avoid making a big mistake that could hurt myself or others. Some people have told me to go ahead and rebarrel to a 45-70 or 38-55. Without the input from this forum, I would have proceeded down that path. I'm very thankful for the input above that keeps me on a safer path. 

Your honest question has helped me to better understand my issue with this gun. Upon inheriting it, I expected to use it for deer hunting just like my grandfather used it. But last Tuesday I found that the barrel was ruined. I reluctantly decided to replace it but today found that the barrel is unsafe for the action even if it were in good condition. So now I'm faced with spending $300-$400 to fix a rifle that I can't use for deer hunting or varmint hunting. It's taking a while to adjust my expectations to this reality. I'm still unsure if it's worth $300+ to have a rifle that shoots 38's. But this seems like the best option if I choose to use the rifle. The real problem isn't the rifle but my expectations. I didn't expect to have to pay $300+ for a fairly beat up rifle that shoots 38's. You've posed an honest question that I need to Consider before making any more steps. THAT is also one of the benefits of a forum like this. 
Please don't take offense at my rantings. I think your insights are right on.
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Reply #17 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 5:19pm
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It has a large firing pin, if that's what you mean.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 5:19pm
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Joe, if it was a piece manufactured in 1889, wouldn't it be a small-thread, flat side? I don't recall if any were different. 
Some high walls had small threads, but the other way on low wall, until the later Winder version?
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 5:47pm
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I guess that I don't understand the question.
  
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Re: Need advice to re-barrel an 1885 low wall
Reply #20 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 5:57pm
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In my youth. well I wasn't that young but it was a long time ago, I had a low wall in 22 K-Hornet. It was a lot of fun and I never pierced a primer. Someone offered a barrel in 22 Hornet. If the barrel shank size (the part that screws into the action) is correct and the price is less than a reline or new barrel, that might be a way to go.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 6:58pm
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Understanding the question--- Well, the Winchester single shots came with two different barrel shank threads. The predominant size for the low wall is the small size- it would limit the size of case the barrel would be able to take without thinning the wall of the barrel to a dangerous level. Certainly too thin for a high  power round. These were even a little smaller in external dimensions than the high walls, too. 
Most, but not all high walls had a larger thread and could take the biggies. Toward the end of production a lot of low wall rifles were made  using the large external dimensions and big barrel thread. Most folks even think these are just highwalls with the sides cut down and a low wall block. As far as I know these last ones were all .22s.
Sounds like you need to get in touch with a good, repeat, good smith to advise you about what you have. But it can be made good again if you stay clear of the ones that think swapping parts back and forth on black plastic crap is gunsmithing.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 7:01pm
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I'm unsure if this photo will help answer the question, but it looks pretty thin at face value. But remember that this is a 45-70 chamber.
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Reply #23 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 8:25pm
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There is no shame attached to owning a nice low wall in 22LR, and they make fine shooters. Other than 38 Special or 357 Magnum, you will be almost forced to reload as most of the other ammunition mentioned is in short supply and/or expensive.

$300.00 is not much to invest in a rifle that will be used for a couple of more generations and kept in the family. It might as be in a caliber that will be continue to be available for that length of time.
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 8:57pm
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There's a highly recommended smith about 1-1/2 hours from me who can re-barrel or reline the existing barrel. I've made an appointment to take the rifle to him next Wednesday. I'll avoid making any decisions until I get his input.
  
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Reply #25 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 11:14pm
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I think that smith is a good idea. Whatever you decide to make it up into, good luck. Let us hear how it turns out. With the large pin,  I'd stick with a mild, low pressure round. That, the Hornet is not. With a smaller pin (more money to change), the Hornet is a spiffy choice. I gave my oldest g'daughter an old Sako in that chambering that she learned to reload on. Dang, I miss that gun.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 10th, 2016 at 9:39pm
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One more question before taking it to the smith:

If I ask the smith to re-bore the receiver for a large threaded barrel, would I have a few additional calibers that I could choose from?
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 10th, 2016 at 11:44pm
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not really
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 11th, 2016 at 9:33am
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I just finished reading a series of postings on the marlin owners forum relating to the pressures produced by a black powder 38-55 cartridge. The are saying that the pressures are about 17,000 psi max. This sounds entirely within the limit for my LW. Even a 38 special produces more than that. I would just need to get the barrel stamped "for black powder only." I use BP in my flintlock so I do not mind loading it or getting the barrel stamped for it. 

Is this a possibility for me?
  
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Re: Need advice to re-barrel an 1885 low wall
Reply #29 - Sep 11th, 2016 at 9:53am
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If you want that Low-Wall block sticking out of the middle of your forehead then by all means chamber it for 38-55. Either you or some later owner is going to blow it apart. 
If you want a nice that’s fun to shoot chamber it in 32-20. 

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