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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7142 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #45 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:18pm	Print Post
	Chuck, My suggestion was for 32/40, 38/55 BP pressures, in the 20k - 24k range as a max pressure and 30k for the 357 case head as a safe range in the LW. Quote: My own personal thoughts on the LW is that I would limit it to the the 32/40 case head size and mark it for 32/40 or 38/55 BP only I think that my application of up to 30k pressures on the 357 Mag/Max case is safe Great chart BTW. Frank
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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1643 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #46 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	Chuck, Would loading the 25-20 WCF to 1680 fps and a 120 gr bullet move it to another curve out? Bob


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3491 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #47 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	That's a cool chart- I like having stuff visually presented like that. I don't always believe that the charts have been supplied with accurate info, but this one is pretty believable. Like I said earlier, my opinions run to about the same as Frank's do. I like the little low walls, but wouldn't trust one with too much of a thumper ahead of the breech block. There are enough high walls around to never need to test the theory, though. Thanks for the chart, Chuckster. Happy New Year, everyone.


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rollingblock Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 372 Location: Texas part of New Mexico Joined: Aug 19^th, 2012	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #48 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 1:18pm: Friend took off the tip of his thumb when he burst the barrel of his new Shiloh Sharps. He now has eight fingers and two and seven eighths thumbs. Joe. Without any details of this incident, the mention of it means absolutely nothing. What led to your friend bursting his new Shiloh Sharps barrel?


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #49 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Shooting squib loads caused by moisture in the cases smokeless rather than pulling the bullets. Of course, a gift of gab combined with forgetting to check the barrel for obstruction before shooting the next squib was a receipe for disaster.

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rollingblock Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 372 Location: Texas part of New Mexico Joined: Aug 19^th, 2012	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #50 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:49pm: Shooting squib loads caused by moisture in the cases smokeless rather than pulling the bullets. Of course, a gift of gab combined with forgetting to check the barrel for obstruction before shooting the next squib was a receipe for disaster. Thanks for the response. This type result ending in a burst barrel could happen in any modern firearm constructed of the best steels, and not firearm or design specific i.e. Shiloh Sharps. By the way, what caliber was it?


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #51 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:13am	Print Post
	Dave told me he was so excited to shoot his new Shiloh Sharps, he didn't dry the brass enough when loading ammo. Had one stick in the barrel and shot another round. I thought he was using BP. Happened a long time ago. He was real sensitive about it. Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #52 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:30am	Print Post
	He had shot BP, was in a hurry to try smokeless, washed the brass, put it in the oven to dry it fast. He didn't get it all dry. He got to shooting the breeze during cease fire and forgot the last shot had been a squib and there was a bullet about half way down the barrel.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #53 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:44am	Print Post
	In an earlier post concerning Low Walls and .32-40 caliber chambers, it was pointed out by a member that Winchester did chamber the Low Wall in .32-40 in limited numbers. So even the factory thought it was OK at some point.

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fallingblock ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 630 Location: Wisconsin Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #54 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Perhaps the factory decided that the 32-40 was not a good idea after doing some ie they realized it was a mistake. The major problem with the Low Wall is the block is not supported above the center line of the bore. The thrust from the breach block is placed on the top of the rear of the frame. I have seen many low walls with cracks at that point. Cheers, Laurie

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #55 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	fallingblock wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:45pm: Perhaps the factory decided that the 32-40 was not a good idea after doing some ie they realized it was a mistake. The major problem with the Low Wall is the block is not supported above the center line of the bore. The thrust from the breach block is placed on the top of the rear of the frame. I have seen many low walls with cracks at that point. Cheers, Laurie I would guess you're correct. Many makers have offered calibers that seem questionable today, and the number made would indicate the makers determined it wasn't a good idea. In the case of the Low Wall and .32-40, I only see an occasional picture, and the only ones I've held were reworked to the caliber. I've seen many more Ballard #2 in .44-40, and believe Marlin made a fair amount before they dropped the cartridge. See a very small number in .44 Long, which seem much rarer than those in .44-40, but probably because it wasn't a big seller, and switched to .44-40 quickly. Have had several Stevens 44 in .44-40, and .38-40, which tells me they sold a fair amount. Have seen and owned a number of Win. Low Walls in .44-40, or .38-40, and assume that it was offered for a number of years also.

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2203 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #56 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	(Quote Frankore) "My suggestion was for 32/40, 38/55 BP pressures, in the 20k - 24k range as a max pressure and 30k for the 357 case head as a safe range in the LW." Frank, Misunderstood or maybe just assumed. Sorry for the misquote. Chart has been modified. (Quote Old-Win) "Would loading the 25-20 WCF to 1680 fps and a 120 gr bullet move it to another curve out? Bob" Bob, Don't know. Can only read tables. Guessing somewhere near the .218 Bee. Chuck


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7142 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #57 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	Thank you, Chuck Frank

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #58 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:37am	Print Post
	While I agree that a 32-40 is on the raggedy edge of safety a 32-40 is not a 40-65. The 40-65 uses a lot more powder and produces a lot more recoil than a 32-40. There has to be a more appropriate action to shoot a 40-65 than a Winchester Low Wall. This seems like I have this low wall action and I want a 40-65 so lets put my self and everybody near me in danger because I’m too laze to look for a proper action. 40 Rod


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7478 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #59 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:04am	Print Post
	Build it then go to sell, nobody is going to buy a 40/65 low wall. Whole idea is ridiculous . Boats


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