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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #60 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:44am	Print Post
	But I think there is a shooter or shooters that have been using one for a long time. For silhouettes. Can't sell it? Joe.

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7478 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #61 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	Qualify my can't sell, to anybody with any sense that is Boats


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1643 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #62 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	Marlinguy, I asked Bert Hartman over on the Winchester Collectors website about 32-40 chamberings. He's been studying the records for a long time and this is what he posted. Maybe we can put all those 32-40 rumors to rest now. Bob In my search of the records, I have not confirmed a single low-wall made in 32-40. Winchester stated in their very early catalogs that they would not make them in that caliber. In my travels, I have seen three low-walls in 32-40, with two of them being obvious fakes (they lettered in a different cartridge). The only Model 1885 "low-wall" I have found that might be original in 32-40 is a very late production Schuetzen with a third variation low-wall frame. It looked correct, but there is no way to say with 100% certainty. Bert


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2203 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #63 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 1:07pm	Print Post
	Please use the chart I published on page 3 of this thread with extreme caution. While it is correct for Copper Units of Pressure (CUP), it does not reflect pressure transducer data. For example: For a 45-70, the CUP and transducer data are the same at 28KSI. For a .357 Mag., The CUP is 45KSI while the transducer data shows 35KSI. This would make a significantly different de Haas curve. Transducer data is not available for all cartridges, particularly older cartridges. Sorry if this caused any problems. Chuck


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #64 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 9:10am	Print Post
	In another section there is a thread about people blowing up Sharps repros with 40-65 loads of 5744 and wads. How long do you think it’s going to be before someone who has built a 40-65 on a low wall is foolish enough to load it with 5744 and a wad down on the powder? Will you be next to him or her when it finally lets go? It’s not about how many times you get away with foolishness its about the one time that you don’t. 40 Rod


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #65 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 9:10am: In another section there is a thread about people blowing up Sharps repros with 40-65 loads of 5744 and wads. How long do you think it’s going to be before someone who has built a 40-65 on a low wall is foolish enough to load it with 5744 and a wad down on the powder? Will you be next to him or her when it finally lets go? It’s not about how many times you get away with foolishness its about the one time that you don’t. 40 Rod I have to concur with 40 Rod. There are too many gunsmiths both professional or amateur that simply don't consider what happens if they chamber a rifle for a round that is pushing the limits of the action and/or barrel strength. They just follow the instructions of their customer who may know nothing about the strength of the action. A lot of shooters aren't engineers or even technically minded, and so have no real idea of what they may be asking for. It could mean serious injury or even death for the shooter or worse, an innocent nearby. Harry


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #66 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Parts gun? That's what it would be for me.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #67 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Old-Win wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:27pm: Marlinguy, I asked Bert Hartman over on the Winchester Collectors website about 32-40 chamberings. He's been studying the records for a long time and this is what he posted. Maybe we can put all those 32-40 rumors to rest now. Bob In my search of the records, I have not confirmed a single low-wall made in 32-40. Winchester stated in their very early catalogs that they would not make them in that caliber. In my travels, I have seen three low-walls in 32-40, with two of them being obvious fakes (they lettered in a different cartridge). The only Model 1885 "low-wall" I have found that might be original in 32-40 is a very late production Schuetzen with a third variation low-wall frame. It looked correct, but there is no way to say with 100% certainty. Bert Somehow, I think Winchester got it right.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 857 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #68 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:23pm	Print Post
	I vote no for the obvious reasons previously stated. Why fool with a substandard action when there are plenty of rifles on the market chambered for the round that will handle modern high pressure loads. Being cheap with firearms can be very costly


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #69 - Feb 9^th, 2016 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	Just saw a 32-40 barrel on a grooved low-wall frame at Cabela's this morning. Octagon barrel with Ballard style transition at the receiver ring. Engraved, some gold inlay, nice wood with checkering, block high-polished and left in the white. Employee in the Gun Room at Cabela's seems to think it's original. Told him he better hang on to it then.

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CodyS Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Carpenter Wyoming Joined: Dec 25^th, 2015	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #70 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 8:53pm	Print Post
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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #71 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	How could someone possible think that was original? "Yeah this is a nice original 69 Camaro with 20 inch wheels, pinstriping, and an LS 1 Motor. Just like she came off of the assembly line..."


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #72 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 11:44pm	Print Post
	I didn't read any claims that it's original. Obvious that it's not. I wouldn't be afraid to use it, with a bag over my head. 5500.00 bucks? What a deal! Joe.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3491 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #73 - Feb 12^th, 2016 at 12:18am	Print Post
	I think the proper term for that thing is "pimpschuetzen".


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 40-65 in a low wall. Reply #74 - Feb 12^th, 2016 at 2:37am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Feb 11^th, 2016 at 11:44pm: ... I wouldn't be afraid to use it, with a bag over my head. ... Joe. Who's that guy with the bag over his head, dad? That's the Unknown Shooter, son.

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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