Bob I would love to but it is 14 pages long and I currently do not have the capabilities. If you are looking for something specific I can try to type it out for you word for word as time allows.

I'm happy with the traditional rules as they are.  I shot a iron sighted Stevens traditional rifle in the WSU winter league and didnt get credit or a T after my name for it in the BP news. I shot a traditional rifle at both matches at Spokane and didnt get a traditional medal from the ISSA. 
I shot a traditional iron sighted Ballard at Cody last week but didnt qualify because I used smokeless powder.  So while you guys muddy up the rules and try to make historians out of us, I'll just keep plugging away with whatever rifle I feel like shooting. I wont be buying a 1000.00 + dollar scope just to get a T after my name. By the way, there was only one person shooting a traditional rifle at the NRC match at Cody. I know he felt sorta stupid when he went up to get his prize. Kicking your own A_ _ is never any fun.   


         Joe. 

My understanding of Coors dropping sponsorship of the Schuetzenfest is a little bit different than the article in PS. After you wiped the lipstick off the pig what you got was Max could no longer hold out against others in the corporation who saw the schuetzenfest as having limited to no promotional value. The last straw was losing the Golden range with their home base up in open revolt Coors did not want to be associated with negative aspects that the increasingly yuppyfied neighbors saw as the Coors Schuetzenfest. They withdrew their support.
When the Golden Range was lost Dean Miller and family stepped in and made arrangements for Dean's home range as the facility for that year. At that match the ISSA was born. It was created to continue the tradition of the Schuetzenfest. The range at Ratone was just getting up and running and was a good fit size and facility wise for an event the size of the Schuetzenfest. Coors was happy to donate the left over targets and printed material to the fledgling organisation and to put the potential public relations nightmare behind them. I am not saying that Coors was hostile they were not but like all Lawyers and bean counters they are risk averse and feckless friends.   Dean Miller and the early ISSA board deserve all the credit for keeping the schuetzenfest alive. This is also a cautionary tale of corporate involvement. No corporate entity will stick their neck out any more for anything that celebrates firearms. The Coors Schuetzenfests was a once in a lifetime thing that was driven by Max Goodwine personally. 

40 Rod

OK, as a relatively long-time ASSRA member, sometimes writer, and former Board member, let me stick in my 2¢ worth.

The whole concept of preserving a period in history will be difficult enough with various later revisions as to what was going on in that period.  The sport we call schuetzen was in the midst of what could best be described as an arms race during the period in question.  If you just take one of the patriarchs of the game, the venerable HM Pope, the things he did with rifles, barrels, sights, and loading techniques were non-traditional to the extreme!  He set guns up with scopes while most were using iron sights (and even had to retrofit irons he cobbled together at an event one time.)  He experimented with rifling techniques and found one that was a huge improvement over the "traditional" ones of the day.  How about breech/muzzle loading... that was a departure.  And then that duplex powder measure he made that hid his use of two powders at once from the casual observer.  I would say that old Harry was not bound to much of any tradition, yet he was a guiding light in the movement we seek to emulate and he certainly was not alone in his experimenting to seek better scores.  What we are trying to do is catch a moment in time that was itself in a state of rapid change and experimentation, sort of a Schrodinger's Cat type of thing.  We can argue about it as long as we want, but that cat is still going to fool us every time!

Froggie

PS  To those wondering whether a coil spring high wall is traditional, they came out in 1908, so inasmuch as that was before WW I, they fit the definition.  Just sayin'.   

Gentlemen,

Simply specifying that rifles, cartridges and sights be limited to what was available prior to 1917 simplifies things immensely and performs the function of encouraging folks to research the era in question. I think that's what we are trying to do?

Just my thoughts.

Steve

Randy,
I like that wording. 

Something else that might be considered to promote the use of traditional style rifles is to add 2 to as many as 5 points to the aggregate score or say 1 point per 10 shot target both OH and BR.

Personally I would rather see a cash prize for the highest T rifle, especially at the larger matches. Donated by the sanctioning organization and a $2 surcharge per entry for non T competitors added to the prize money.

Sound like a deal or do I need to go hide behind the berm?

Frank

There you go Frank! Put $ signs in the equation and that will firm up interest in shooting traditional class. Lots of competition then.

If you don't like the idea of a money prize, how about a decent basic repro-type prize rifle awarded to an entry-level category of shooters. 
They are the ones that need the incentive to pursue Schuetzen, not the old-timers who already have their accumulation of toys.