I have had a chance to look at them and also shoot one at or Summer match. It was a prototype in 40-65. Had a few issues but not all that bad. Two were on the line for our fall match and the owners tried them out and seemed happy. I had knee surgery and was not able to shoot this time.
One of the owners came to the matches and was interested in getting comments from people. I have on on order and will be able to give a better report when I have it in hand. I will ask if either o0f the sort of locals that now have one are willing to talk on line don't even know if they are on line.
Cheers,
Laurie

I was also at the match this spring and fall.  Laurie stated it correctly about the rifle it was the prototype.  One new shooter to our match ordered after wards,  and has lready recieved and is very happy with the way that it shoots.  For being a new shooter he states that he has shot some very good groups with it.  If I can remember how to post pictures on the news group I will post the picture of the fellows that got to shoot it for the first time.  infact the new shooter that ordered his rifle at the summer match also won the off hand king target that was shot at 200yds with the Peabody. I also have ordered my new Peabody Which will be the display rifle at the Wisconsin NRA that will be heald in Eau Claire, Wi in Febuary.   Again I look at the price of an all American made rifle, with American components  for less than an import  $1400.00.   

Bill Flanagan

Sir
I am a proud owner of a new Peabody by Providence tool. After shooting the prototype at the Eau Claire spring match I knew that one should be mine. Mine is chambered in 45-70. Very happy so far, I am new to the sport and I am getting lots of help for a friend. He is doing the reloading I just shooting and having fun. My last time out we had around a 2 inch group. Only 87 round thru the gun but all is well
Tommy Auger

Frank, I really applaud your efforts to reincarnate the Peabody rifle lineup.  Sure do wish, though, that you had not used the model names from the Peabody Martini rifles...could be real confusing to some shooters and, of course, collectors.

Wish I had been able to get to eclair, but the weather that weekend (floods, and associated nastiness) stopped me for the first time in years.

David Kaiser
Montezuma, IA

I have to agree about this. This putting What Cheer and Kill Deer on the these Peabodys is a bit disconcerting. The What Cheer and a Kill Deer were Peabody Martini's. 

I applauded you reintroducing the Peabody. It is a welcome addition to the field.  But I now am having some second thoughts about buying one.  

But putting What Cheer or Kill Deer on a Peabody denigrates the rifle and is gross mislabling.  It's about like labeling a Ford F150 as a Corvette.

Don't do it.

Back in the late 60s I used an original (+/-) in .45/70 as a hunting rifle, climbing over blowdowns and in a canoe.  It was a GREAT rifle for that sort of hunting.  I no longer hunt, but that .33 WCF gets my attention.

Frank,

Don't worry about the trivial complaints on what you name the rifles.  Modern Sharps have names such as "Saddle Rifle" and the "Quigley Model", and I'm not aware of any confusion it has caused collectors. The original Peabody Side Hammer Sporter had no catchy names from the factory. Since you have chosen to give your rifles names to differentiate the various models, it is certainly appropriate that you have decided on names used by the original Providence Tool Company and not some modern jazzed up names.

Good Luck with your venture.

John Gross

Doug and Gert.As you two have all the good martin's stashed. Reproduceing some could be a good idea. Whitey

Doug you are right 1st things first. As I have two orginal side hammer peabodys that I have not decided what to do with yet.
But that does not stop me from liking martini's also. send me a test email at  whanson@plainstel.com. And will send you a pcture of my new martin'i toy. Whitey

Good easy way to get out of that.

dd send him the rifle you have with body puddy and paint to cover rust---very nice.

"We have had numerous conversations with collectors and have found that they are mostly an intelligent, well informed group."

Well, this stupid, uninformed collector thinks you just found an easy way out...  Enough said.

Frank and anyone interested
I went shooting the peabody yesterday at the Mondovi Wis range. There were a few people that enjoyed handling the gun. Please put your website back on the forum because some of those people would like to look at it. The grouping went OK yesterday I think the shooter(me) let the rifle down. Would anyone out there let me in on some secrets that they have tighten up my groups???Also I would love to meet up with some local guys to shoot sometime and learn more about this great shooting sport. I will come to you if you let me.Thank you very much to the people that has kept this sport going and I hope to do my part in the future. Tommy

Somebody must have removed some of their other post . I wonder why.

Sir
That is great to hear I though I might be the only one out there shooting this great gun. I am shooting the Peabody in 45-70 and like it very much. So much that I am having Frank and the crew build me one in a 25-20 wcf shcuetzen rifle. I cant wait to see what they come up with for a stock plam rest and the whole nine yards. Congrats on your kill deer I would sure like to see it sometime. By the way I think the case color ranks up there with the work of the great Mr. Turnbull......

Frank, glad to hear your not hurt and sorry about the truck. Would your Peabody take the 375 NE 2.5" Flanged?. Think of it as a hornady 405 winchester case cut to 2.5" and necked down to .375 caliber with either a 1x18" twist or 1x16" twist. Suprised that Double D hasn't suggested this already as I know he has a martini set up in this caliber. Have come to the revelation that it would be way cheaper to have you make up a rifle for me than use one of the hi wall actions, fit and chamber a barrel and do the wood and blueing. Every time I see the link to your site I stop and go over there and spend about 15 minutes drooling. You do make some fine rifles. I'd like to stick a good redfield international globe sight up fromt and a redfield international for the rear sight and see what she would do. Take care and hope your aches and pains go away quickly. Frank

The 375 2 3/4 is not appropriate for a side hammer Peabody.

Unless Frank wishes to standardize on the .45-70 case head, the .375 2 1/2 NE which Singleshotlover mentioned strikes me as a reasonable choice. It dates -- if I recall -- to the late 1890s, and the CIP pressure standard for it is well below that for the .33 WCF. Perhaps DoubleD objects to the cartridge length? The .33 WCF is 2.8" with a 2.1" case vs. about 3.1 and 2.5 for the .375 NE.

Frank, ok according to "custom cartridges" by Ken Howell the 375 2.5 uses origional 375 2.5" cases or 9.3x74 rimmed cases. However the 38-72 uses 375 cal bullets and to make cases we can take the new hornady 405 winchester brass cut them down to 2.5" and voila, we have a cartridge that uses 375 cal bullets either jacket or cast, readily available brass, and with a 1x16 or 1x14" twist should be able to handle up to and including 300 grain jacketed or cast bullets. And it would be an American design course its a little bit late by about a hundred years. But still in keeping the spirit by calling it the 38/405 cartridge. At a guess the whole length of a loaded round with a 300 grain bullet would be about 3" possibly more. Guess that this is mere wishful thinking on my part. But its nice to dream once in awhile. Frank

KWK, sometimes I get so carried away I tend to confuse other folks. And even myself. What I was looking for is sort of an American version of the 375 2.5 cartridge. Since the 405 brass as made by hornady is reasonably cheap and available that is what I based my version of the 375 2.5 cartridge.
Would be able to use a lee enfield #1MKIII action or even the #4 series actions. But having seen the peabody rifles on their website had thought that it would have been a natural. As you said the pressures are low. Since I'll only shoot a few jacketed rounds through it to see how it shoots, I'll then start using cast bullets. Should be easy to get to shoot accurately. The reason also for the 2.5" length was to allow it to function through a lee enfield magazine. The early lee speed sporters were chambered in the british version of the 375 2.5. Always drooled over them, but being retired, and on a very fixed income there is no way I'll ever get the money in one place and at one time to get one. Classic styling and beautiful rifles. So at least now you can understand my thinking. Course I could always use a P14 action (which I have) and do the same thing. But wouldn't quite be the same. Always liked the single shots, especially the martini's and of course the peabody's. Got a couple smaller ones like the cadet and BSA 12-15. Still have plans on doing a 12-15 into a small 30 caliber cartridge gun. Maybe as I get older (62) I'm trying to go back to the simpler things as far as rifles are concerned. Used to cast my own bullets for a variety of cartridges but have been stagnant for way too long.
Frank

Assuming the cartridge length isn't a problem, I still find the .375 2-1/2 a reasonable chambering. Certainly, it's no more unusual than the .33 WCF, other than -- perhaps -- that older actions to my eye look better with a "fat" cartridge, such as on the .45-70 case head. I think it splendid they offer the rifle in .33 WCF. 

Reflecting on it, I suppose were it my rifle and I wanted a .375, I'd go with the .38-56 improved. The case capacity will be close to the .375 2-1/2 and with the operating pressures of the .33 WCF, it would be a very heavy hitter, all with relatively cheap brass.

KWK, couldn't agree more with you on the 375 2.5 cartridge. When funds become available pgt will make a reamer for me that will basically be a 303 british case necked up to 375 caliber with a straight neck one caliber in length. This should work in the lee enfield receiver that I've been working on.
And should be able to seat out 375 cast bullets with the gas check even with the bottom of the straight section of the neck. 
Double D, Thanks for the offer of your reamer to Frank. I too am curious as to wether or not it would make the turn. But please tell me why you do not think this cartridge is wrong for this rifle. Not trying to start any flame wars. 
Frank, thanks for not blowing me off regarding the possible chambering of your beautiful peabody rifle in either the 375 2.5 inch (british version) or mine based on the 405 winchester cartridge. your comments were most welcome. and do understand that a new company in today's economic climate has to do what it must in order to survive and get ahead.
Ive enjoyed all the discussions from all of you. And no one got flamed either. But learned from folks that have way more experience than I do.
Maybe I should take the barrel off the ruger 1 1/2 rifle I have and have someone put on a 375 caliber barrel with 1x14 twist and get it rechambered in my version of the 375 2.5 and a long throat for shooting long 375 cast bullets. Haven't shot it but once and could get douglas barrels tofinish turn a barrel in the varmint taper that they use for their sendero's or varmint synthetics. With the breech of the barrel opened up so as to be able to be installed on the ruger action. Don't think that a 1x12 twist as I first posted will allow higher velocities due to the faster twist. Heck I may be old but the brain is still firing on all 6 cylinders. Frank

According to De Hass the Peabody was made 1865 to 1872. 
Double D, ok no problem as to being a traditionalist at heart I think most of us here are one. I include my self as well. But having said that I'll have to side with KWK as the round was made in the 1890's. The reason I suggested the Hornady 405 winchester case is that its pretty close to 2.5" as it comes out of the box. From what little I've heard about hornady brass is that its good stuff. And takes boxer primers. And if you want to call my rendition of the origional 375 2.5" a copy feel free to do so. Haven't priced Jamison or Kynoch brass. I'm guessing here that jamison would be boxer capable but what about the kynoch?. They still using that big #172 primer?. Or have they seen the light and gone to boxer primers. Take my ruger #3 action, unscrew the stainless 30 caliber barrel. Take a douglass xx bbl in 375 caliber with 1x14 twist, bbl to be 25-26" long setup with globe target front sight and either a good tang sight like from parts unknown. Or even a nice tight redfield international. And you have something. And just for you Double D, can get target blocks mounted and mount my redfield 3200 in 24x. Its already got #1 wood for the buttstock so would have to scrounge around for a suitable forend like from a ruger varmint rifle. What I like is the sound you get when you insert a large caliber cartridge into the breech of a single shot. That nice thunk sound. No other rifle compares. I'd prefer the target sights as I already have five sets. Two internationals and three olympics and oh yeah, forgot the palma sight that came with my cmp H&R model 12 22rf target rifle.The front globe sight did come with a great assortment of inserts for the globe sight.
Always had problems with tang sights. To get my eye up to the apertature in most cases my chin was almost off the stock.But I have to also realize that Frank at Providence has a business to run and a request one of their rifles be chambered for a clone of a british hunting cartridge that's over a hundred years might not be something he'd be willing to tackle when he's got so many other irons in the fire. And he would probably be right not to undertake such a chambering job for an oddball cartridge when he has a bunch already in his line. But man o' man if this were to come to fruition what a rifle it would be. Excuse my ramblings here, sometimes I get carried away. Still worth some serious thought. As far as the barrel is concerned, very few on the sendero shape  Keep the present .750 muzzle diameter and enlarge the breech section slightly so as to allow a good fiton the ruger#3 breech face, Have the barrel and metalwork matte bead blasted including the lever and the action. With the longer barrel you would have adaquate sight radius. ans have the option of either glass or metallic sights,Should not be too much trouble to find a good smith that worked on the ruger#3 action.Of course the extractor  would have to 
be altered or someone could persuade ruger to turn loose one of thei extractors that they used on the #3 single shot when they were making the carbines and rifles in 405 winchester. Food for thought gentlemen. Frank

DD, read both yous and Frank's post. At this point I grudgeingly have to admit your right. And since Frank has the final say so regarding the strength of his actions/rifles I've hit a dead end. But, the 405 winchester case is about 
2.5380 in length. To get to 2.5" yes I'll have to trim and possibly neck ream.
My reasoning for using the 405 win case is because its available right now and can be used in both the ruger #3 with suitable caliber barrel and same goes for the #1MKIII or the #4 MI orMKII series actions. But since you brought up the fact that if I go to a 270 grain bullet I run out of magazine room. Hence my suggestion of using a ruger #3 action. And since I have on hand a limited supply of speer 235grain 375 bullets would revert to shooting cast bullets. Kynoch brass is an unknown to me. The only time I ever used any was Kynoch 1960 30-06 ammunition. At that time was still berdan primed. Jameison brass I have heard has or had problems regarding sizing of the rims and case heads. Has this situation been corrected?. Maybe my version of the 375 2.5" differs slightly from the British one. So what??. I won't have to depend on foreign sources for brass. Not to insult anyone here by the way. Molds abound in 375 caliber.
PGT can grind a reamer set (rougher and finisher) good 375 blanks or preturned barrels are easy to get. And since the standard length for the 303 british case is about 2.222 or thereabouts I'm only going for the last 1/4" or so to get what I want. Ruger shurely still has 30-40 krag extractors so that should not be a problem. And if thet won't sell any a good smith can rework a 45-70 extractor down to 30-40 krag size. In my mind its doable based on using the ruger #3 action or the enfield actions previously mentioned. In fact due to the lower breech pressure of the 375/405 winchester pressures in a lot of single shot actions would not be a problem. I have a rifle that could be the next 375/405 winchester. Will it be the hottest thing since ice cream NOPE. Just one mans take on a classic british cartridge using basically off the shelf components. Who knows, maybe Frank in his pressure testing and the use of strain guages will allow him to up the safe lever at which these actions/rifles can safely operate. This may or may not happen due to safety concerns. That I understand. His main concern is to provide a product that will be safe, accurate and pleasing to the eye. So far nothing I have seen has led me to believe otherwise. In fact I wish him a very successful venture into what could become a viable alternative to the plethora of sharps, ballards, high walls, rolling blocks and so forth at black powder matches. Imaging showing up at Raton with a side hammer peabody and commencing to knowk down the chickens, turkeys, pigs,rams and buffaloes and doing it with a modern recreation of an 1870 style hammer gun. Well I've rambled on way too long. Hope you gents forgive me and apologize in advaance for taking up your time. Frank

Frank, my hats off to you or anyone who can shoot at 1000yds. The longest that I've shot at was 200yds. I have cataracts and last eye exam was told that they weren't "bad" enough to get operated on yet. Jeeze can't a guy get a break??. Good luck at the matches. 
DoubleD, thanks for setting me straight about the Jamison brass. At least it was good to hear about someone backing up their product. Which is all to sadly lacking in today's world. Good idea about reopening my topic about converting or creating yet another 375 cartridge. If its ok with the Moderators and the folks here would like to do just that. Frank

Singleshotlover, email me at moodyholler@cox.net for a front sight for that 1895 caribiner. I have a new Marbles from way back. Later, moodyholler

The caliber of this kill deer is in 38-55. I orderd one in a 33wcf I need to give up this sport its killing my savings account.But what the hell I can make more money. Tommy Auger

Just ask 38Cal how he breechseats in his BSA 12/15 - he came up with a pretty nifty lay-out with essentially an extension pin on the revceiver which served as fixed point for the breechseater.

I recently received my Peabody "Kill Deer" from Frank at Providence Tool.  I am tickled to death with it.  I opted for the curly maple straight stock with a #3 octagon barrel from Badger.  Lyman #21 sight as made by Providence.  The caliber is one of my favorites, 38-56 WCF.  The action and barrel breech was engraved by Jim Downing, and after the super case hardening job, looks absolutely beautiful.

It was worth every penny and the wait was reasonable as well.

I fired a few shots to initially set the sights, and it does well with my favorite load:  330 gr. Postell 20-1, 52 gr. FFG Wano, plastic wad cut from milk jug, drop tubed and compressed 1/4 " with compression die, Fed 215 primer. Remington cases.  Velocity is 1200 fps, with 3fps deviation.

Great job, Frank, and thanks again for the beautiful rifle.

Bob

peabody photo
This is a 45-70 that is going to a lucky guy.  The  first whatcheer ...Frank I hope the wood on my 25-20 looks this nice Tommy

doubs43

the peabodys all come with a tang to attach the tang sight too.

sportslube

doubs43

send me an email and I will send a picture look down at the tang so that you have a top look if you would like one.  if you dont need top look thats ok to 

bill sportslube@aol.com

All I can say is that I'm quite impressed with Frank's peabody's. Now if those in power want to take pity on me, I'd have one for myself. Great work. Frank

I talked to Tim at Classic Checkering,I guess he talked to Mike Venturino, he is going to write an article in the Rifle mag,sometimes this year.Also Tim got the approval from the NRA on the modified stock to be used at Raton NM.His MVA sights should  be in this week.Iwill have the gun at the Kansas City NCOWS convention next week.Also this weekend at the Eau Claire show.Lots of interesting phone calls from the article in Guns of the Old west mag.  Thats it for now.  Frank  

The new catalog has been a great success.Achieved more customers,friends,European and Australian sales.Phone inqueries are much more successful,and gain more friends.Call in,and I will send you one.Oh, by the way,wait till you see Tim Lyons's Raton Model Peabody that He will qualify and use this summer in NM.Built to NRA qualifications.Cost,very high 4 g's.Tommy Augers, DAS SCHUETZEN Peabody will be shown May 15th at the Eau Claire spring open.1 st of its kind. Thats it for now.   920=893=9675      Frank  

I agree, beautiful rifle Tim.

How high a front sight do you need to get on target at 100yd with the tang sight sitting as high as it is at it's lowest setting?
The reason I ask is because I have a new Ruger #1 with a tang sight that sits fairly high.
The Sharps, Remingtons, and Stevens rifles have more drop to their tangs so front sight height usually isn't a problem.
I'm thinking I will need one about 3/4" from the top of the barrel to the center of the sight to be on at 100yd with the rear sight at the bottom. 
I think Brownell's used to sell a plastic front sight that could be trimmed to find the right height, but I don't see them on their web site anymore.
Steve 

"Interesting related point;  my friend Clarence Dykstra, claims that his  POI is 2-1/2 MOA higher at Raton NM. than it is in southern Mississippi because of the higher elevation, thinner air, etc."

To help understand:

The density of air, ρ (Greek: rho) (air density), is the mass per unit volume of Earth's atmosphere, and is a useful value in aeronautics and other sciences. Air density decreases with increasing altitude, as does air pressure. It also changes with variances in temperature or humidity. At sea level and 20 °C, air has a density of approximately 1.2 kg/m3.

The density of dry air can be calculated using the ideal gas law, expressed as a function of temperature and pressure:

    \rho = \frac{p}{R \cdot T} \,

where ρ is the air density, p is absolute pressure, R is the specific gas constant for dry air, and T is absolute temperature.

The specific gas constant for dry air is 287.05 J/(kg·K) in SI units, and 53.35 (ft·lbf)/(lbm·R) in United States customary and Imperial units.

Therefore:

    * At IUPAC standard temperature and pressure (0 °C and 100 kPa), dry air has a density of 1.2754 kg/m3.
    * At 20 °C and 101.325 kPa, dry air has a density of 1.2041 kg/m3.
    * At 70 °F and 14.696 psia, dry air has a density of 0.074887 lbm/ft3.
The addition of water vapor to air (making the air humid) reduces the density of the air, which may at first appear contrary to logic.

This occurs because the molecular mass of water (18) is less than the molecular mass of air (around 29). For any gas, at a given temperature and pressure, the number of molecules present is constant for a particular volume (see Avogadro's Law). So when water molecules (vapor) are introduced to the air, the number of air molecules must reduce by the same number in a given volume, without the pressure or temperature increasing. Hence the mass per unit volume of the gas (its density) decreases.

Wish I could say that I remember you, Tim, but I was there for 20 years, 1987-2007, and talked with tons of folks each week.   

David

Not to be argumentative, Steve, but run your rear sight up a bit from dead bottom before you lock in your front sight height.  You may end up at a 100 yard match and might need the elevation!  Yours is as good a way of guestimating the initial front sight height as any, and probably better than most.   

David

I am very proud of Tim for winning B class at the NRA Whittington Center in Raton NM. I with the ideas of Tim am coming with the Raton and Rough and Ready models.For further information, check out my new web site. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) Not affiliated with Peabody Research and Development LC.   Frank

    Rich, I can tell you from first hand experience that my rifle no. 31 was a real disappointment. I kept smoldering as I watched this thread and finally have to say something. A combination of poor fit, casting flaw in receiver, sanding marks in the wood, file marks on the flats of the barrel, incorrect length of pull, and a failure to fire reliably caused me to call Frank and he informed me that at $1750.00 I did not pay for hand polishing. At this point I was asked to return the rifle for another one, and I asked to send in my own wood for project as the semi-fancy I was supplied( and paid for) was a real disappointment. When I asked if the next one would be finished better, Frank became very angry and insisted that I send the rifle back for a refund.
    I have to say there are some very impressive rifles in the gallery of pictures and mine was sure not comparable. Being a project engineer, I have learned over the years to save everything and I have all of the corresponence and 100 or so pictures if anyone wants to see them. Here's to a neat rifle design and I still hope one day to own in 38-56.   moodyholler

   Mr. C. C., I am truly glad that your experience with PEABODY LLC exceeds mine in so many ways. If I built rifles for a living I would work hard to keep my checkerer happy. That you were able to stock your own rifle and are affiliated with PROVIDENCE means you did get preferential treatment not extended to others.
   As to the “CHAMPAGNE TASTES”,  you do not know me or my means. My Shiloh and C Sharps products of comparable costs do not have issues.
   That you would buy another Peabody I am sure, since it ALSO will be above average.
   With regards to the rifle refund, most other companies would not have shipped a rifle that unsatisfactory.


   PS I am an engineer and I do know quality. That you have started into BPCR is great news, as we need new blood. 

From the poor ‘Holler, ADIOS!

Members,I haven't posted for awhile.Iwas too busy with G'ment jobs,and retooling the Peabody.The new receivers will be able to shoot factory loaded smokless.I am coming out with standard Stalkers in kit form,for about $895.00.Just a basic starter that can be upgraded later.In June,check our web for details.We will be machining our stocks with 4th and 5th axis technology.Receivers,castings combined with 4th and 5th axis machining.We have OEM Peabody 43 internal parts for replacement or conversion from rimfire to centerfire.Parts are partially machined,but must be fitted by a gunsmith.You must call or email me on this subject.Also for 1395.00 we will have a basic starter with straight stock,buck horn rear sight, front bead,receiver drilled and tapped for a future Model 21.We will be using herring bone grain ASH.Just as pretty as maple.You will be able to get all models in the 45-100.Round barrels,26 and 28 inch lengths.Winchester oct barrels, 30 to 34 inch.Round,Douglas,oct,Green MTN.All target models models will come with Baldwin Sights rear with Hadley eyepiece.We will be stocking kits and the stalker starter the end of aug 011.They may be ordered thru a dealer. Frank  fwierus@excel.net