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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7478 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #30 - Feb 7^th, 2021 at 6:35pm	Print Post
	200 yard bench probably best performance anybody’s had rifle like yours = Stevens action, is 32/20 as set up by Paul Shuttleworth. If he says the 044 1/2 will handle it it’s the best choice. Boats


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1815 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #31 - Feb 7^th, 2021 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	I have the 25 hornet, 25 wcf, 25 ss and had the 25 schuetzen. All shot great. That said I would go with the WCF for all the reason Jerry mentioned. Anyone of these can be a shooter that can win, but why fight brass availability and expense. The WCF and Hornet are the easiest to get brass and both similar expense. I have a hornet on a 9.5-1 twist barrel so I dont have to push my 120 mos bullets as hard. all are breech seaters!


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1035 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #32 - Feb 7^th, 2021 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	More choices, more confusion If you go with 357 mag/max cases, you open up a whole new can of worms. 30-30 Wesson, 30 Schwartz which is almost the same. Both are basically 357 max straight tapered to 308. 1500 fps with a 200 grain bullet can be kept in the 20,000 psi range. The case head diameter of the 357 is only .020” larger than 28-30, rim diameter +.010”. Seems to work fine in the 044 1/2 action.


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S99VG Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 495 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #33 - Feb 7^th, 2021 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	Dellet wrote on Feb 7^th, 2021 at 9:11pm: No foolin'!


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1061 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #34 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 9:46am	Print Post
	i had an original in 25 20ss and it shot great breach seatedjust make it a 25 20winchester because brass is affordable and get the brass before you start the build let cpa barrel it. best art


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S99VG Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 495 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #35 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 11:16am	Print Post
	Based on everything you guys mentioned I think I've narrowed it down to either 25-20 or 32-20, with an edge toward the latter if forming 32-20 into 25 is as problemattic as was suggested. I also think at some point I will get a 22-Hornet barrel but, as also suggetsed, have it marked 22 W.C.F. to help prevent anyone in the future from stoking with loads that may be too hot. Many thanks, much appreciate all the discussion and help.


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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1650 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #36 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	32-20 or rather 30-20 in my case is a dandy, especially with a fast-twist barrel and heavy bullets. I have a 1:12 twist Lothar Walther barrel on a BSA 12/15 action. Should maybe try it with nitro, but it actually is my go-to short-range bp match rifle.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #37 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	The .32-20 is an excellent choice, and since it's a Stevens, extra barrels later on will result in a gun that's very versatile to change calibers. More so if you choose other calibers using the same rim size so you wont need extra ejectors too.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #38 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 2:45pm	Print Post
	You mentioned.32-20 and then maybe getting a .22 hornet barrel later, you might consider a .218 bee, so you wouldn’t need to change the extractor.


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BudHyett Full Member Offline Posts: 242 Location: Pacific Northwest, WA State Joined: Jun 25^th, 2011	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #39 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 2:45pm: You mentioned.32-20 and then maybe getting a .22 hornet barrel later, you might consider a .218 bee, so you wouldn’t need to change the extractor. Having two CPA Stevens 44 1/2 rifles with barrels for .32-20 CPA and .25-20 WCF, barrel interchange is a factor. Also having a Ruger #1's in both .22 Hornet and .218 Bee, I am prejudiced for the .218 Bee. The .218 Bee was easier developing a load and the brass lasts far longer. Changing the extractor is a factor. The CBA National Match has several fun matches on Friday for warmup before Saturday and Sunday including a Quarter-Bore match. I've never been able to match the claimed five to seven minute interchange time for firing pins and extractors. The .32-20 CPA is easily formed from .32-20 WCF basically giving a straight case. The .25-20 WCF brass comes on the market annually; but with the current ammo crunch, I do not expect to see it for several years. You can form .25-20 from .32-20, there are several threads on both ASSRA and CBA websites. If you are thinking .25-20 WCF, get a 1 in 10" twist for the heavier 110 to 120 grain bullets.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10624 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #40 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Just be aware of the pressures it takes for either the 32-20 CPA or the 25WCF as Jerry H shoots for them to actually become extremely competitive. Being also dependant on where one lives you might not be able to reach the velocity of what it takes to both be competitive and to not incure the separated cases being lost to get and to remain there during a match. When I first built my 28 based on a straight tapered to 28 357 max. case I had to actually knock out each case with a cleaning rod to be competitive. Shortly after I re-chambered to a 28-35 and I could push it allot harder than I actually needed to be extremely competitive and pressure was never an issue and case lose was also none existent from that time forward. Same holds true now for my 25-35 and just as competitive as any 25 out their currently being used.

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7478 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #41 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	I have to knock out 25/20 formed from Starline 32/20 with a cleaning rod often in a Marlin 1894. WW 25/20 brass never fails to extract. Lever action it has a very weak extractor. No matter how good the load performs fail to extract match is over. Stevens action would probably pull them out fine can’t say sure. Much fun as 25 cal is 200 yards 200 gr 32 probably outshoot 120 gr 25 Boats


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BudHyett Full Member Offline Posts: 242 Location: Pacific Northwest, WA State Joined: Jun 25^th, 2011	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #42 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	boats wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 8:37pm: WW 25/20 brass never fails to extract. Much fun as 25 caliber is 200 yards, 200 gr 32 probably outshoot 120 gr 25 - Boats I think the W-W brass is softer and the rim is thinner. Both aid extraction. Annealing .32-20 Starline brass to make .25-20 is now the standard procedure. The .32-20 is definitely better at wind bucking. I shot the .25-20 two years ago for the reduced recoil while first recovering from bone cancer, 200 yards is a real challenge. I am now cleared for more recoil and going with the .32-20 and a 200 grain bullet.

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7478 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #43 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 5:43am	Print Post
	Starline 32/20 brass rim is thicker than WW 25/20 . Little bit thicker in front of the rim were its difficult to size, solid brass won’t compress much when forming. Even formed all the way to the rim, no shell holder and about .oo2 extra remained. Aneling greatly speeds forming & solves the temper problem. Starline formed can be done, if 25/20 WW brass is available better option. I gave my Starline 32/20 brass away when supply of WW was available. None of this important in strong extractor rifles & moderate pressures Anyhow that’s my experience. Boats


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S99VG Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 495 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Advice Sought on Narrowing Down Cartridge Choices Reply #44 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	Wow, more interesting stuff. Now where did the beat my head on the wall emogee go?


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