Hi Biggi,

Yes, I thought you were tired of hearing about breech-seaters so I removed my post, but what I described was an old German 8,15 X 46R breech-seater which was made of steel and drilled completely through the center, and had a center pin to push the bullet into the throat of the barrel, only that it was very light weight and “dainty,” not like our heavy mechanical seaters. The little breech-seater was black and looked to be made by a gun company, it was not a “home made” job. It was in a box with other old German loading tools. Although I have some old German catalogs, I have never found anything like that listed.

Bob

Biggi,

    At your convenience, would you please be so kind as to look at the question I posted on the Collecting Single Shots section on the Haenel Aydt?  I'm hoping you or some of your group might provide some information for me.  Thanks in advance!

    As for your friend's clever adaptation of the process of breech seating, he simply re-proved the old maxim, "There is nothing new under the sun!"  His device has a good way to adjust seating depth, but seems a little less convenient to use than ours, and would not have the leverage to push a slightly oversized bullet into position.  I would love to be able to try his out with one of our rifles just to see how well it would work.   

    BTW, does anyone in your group shoot a 6.5 X 27 cartridge?  That looks like it would be about the best version of a .25 caliber that was ever made, and uses (if I understand correctly what I have read) that same kind of pre-loaded paper package of powder you show in your pictures.

Green Frog

Hi Bob!

Now it's already evening here in Bavaria (10 pm). We are nine hours further I think...


Yes, that works with cigarette paper. I think the thin cigarette paper will be blown away totally, so you have no influence or manipulation to the powder and the shot's power.

The friend shot with this breech-seater 20 years ago sometimes, but he stopped it. Because it lasts too long for loading between the shots. Everybody in Europe is used to shoot with ready loaded cartridges. And we don't have so much ranges, you have sometimes to hurry while shooting, because there are a lot of other shooters who are waiting for the place at the range...


I'm looking forward to your reports about trying to shoot like our Bavarian tools-creating-freak!


Biggi

Hi Fred!

You have made a special breechseater for your Büchel? You still have this unit and might show pictures here?

Biggi

Now for something completely different. 

Here are pics of a particular sight/diopter made by SEIBERT WETZLAR (probably in the 1920ies). I don't know this specimen, although it's from Germany. 


It has three different color-filters (grey - yellow - lightpink) for inserting them. And also a rubber ocular. 

I didn't find it in old catalogues and I don't know how old it is. Perhaps somebody knows about this diopter?


Biggi

Hi Biggi, Sorry it took so long to get back on your offer to try and track down anything about my Zimmerstutzen. We had some family medical emergencies, but I'm back. The barrel is marked on top, "Michael Burger, Erlangen" that, other than a number I assume is serial or assembly number is on the barrel and receiver. While on the subject of diopter sights, here is the one on my ZS. It has five different rotating apertures, a yellow filter, and can be  focused. this really helps my olde eyes. I found another sight similar inconfiguration, but without all "goodies" or extra's that I mounted on the 32-40 Trapdoor Scheutzen I built last year. Had a hard time refraining from putting the ZS sight on it. Common sense finally took over so I left the ZS all original. THanks for your willingness to try and help me.

Dick

Hi Dick.

Thanx for the pic of your ZS-diopter. Now I understand what you mean. This is a old diopter with some lenses for adjusting the visual acuity. I don't know so much about those visual assistance, because I do not have myself such old diopters with lenses.

In our rules it's allowed to use a Sperber or Seibert "mini-scope" for mounting behind the old iron-sight-diopter (in direction to the barrel). This Seibert or Sperber is allowed with 1,5x zoom mode and not more. Color filters are also allowed. But I've never shot with such visual assistance - although my eyes get already older...

About maker "Michael Burger, Erlangen" I have to look, if I find one time something about this maker. Since the 1850/60ies, there were a lot of makers in region Munich and also region Nuremberg. The town Erlangen is very close to Nuremberg in northern Bavaria (Franconia). Do you know out of which period the ZS is? From 1890 or rather 1920ies? Perhaps I find something in my old Bavarian schuetzen-newspapers about Burger Erlangen.

Greetings from Munich
       Biggi