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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1008 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #45 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	longfoot, There is a #54 Stevens, in fact it is the highest grade that Stevens made. Unless you are lucky at a gun show etc. there is no brass available for the 28/30 Stevens except the RMC. There is no brass in which to re-form 28/30 Stevens. ledball


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2793 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #46 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 11:35pm	Print Post
	I would add to Ledball's statement that the only factory brass I have ever seen is UMC and that I think it went out of production about 1914 when the big ammunition companies tooled up for WW1. Winchester never made 28-30, and if the demand was there, they would have made the stuff. It is either RMC (far better) or Bertram (serviceable if you anneal the stuff before use, otherwise not a wise investment). That said, I have 2 boxes of UMC stuff that came with my rifle in 1967. I have lost 2 cases to overloads since then.


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Gone Fly Fishing Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2071 Joined: Feb 26^th, 2007	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #47 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 4:20pm	Print Post
	Quote: 38/55 Schuetzen offhand load. Never cronographed never shot from a rest. Shoots to call in a CPA with Douglas 18 inch twist barrel. 330 Gr tapered Hoch cast 1/25, SPG Lube, Breech seated 1/16 inch in front of case. Single WW 38/55 case never sized, Rem 2 1/2 small pistol primer Case loaded at the range, Harrels Measure for smokeless Belding & Mull for Black Smokeless powder 16.5 gr 4227 no wads Black powder case tapped full of Goex 2 F covered with a Walters .370x.030 card wad hand seated Black load wiped between shots one wet one dry. Wet is 1/1 anti- freeze/water with a touch of Blastol lube Boats Boats -- Did you intend to say you load the 38-55 case and use small pistol primers ? Or is that a typo which you intended to be Large Pistol primers. C.M.M.


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4143 Location: Berrien Springs, MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #48 - Jul 15^th, 2013 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	I'd be very interested in hearing more about loads for 8.15x46r. I know that it is basically a metric version of the .32-40 but the cases have a fair amount of difference. I have quite a bit of 4759 to use in it. I am interested in both fixed loads for Offhand and Breach seated loads for bench shooting

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #49 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	Wayne, I've only shot mine BSed so, I can't help at all for fixed. I've only shot two powders in mine, 4227 and Win 296. My bullet is a modified 311413 that casts .313 on the bands and I took the GC of and made a .316 base band, .100 long. It's 1.050 long and weights 173 gr in 24/1 alloy. The base band diameter and the BSing depth will be important in these rifles as, they have long throats. IMR 4227, F150 primers, all groups at 100 yards. Darr lube, Temp 40 deg. 11.0 gr, 1165 fps, 15.5 SD, 47 ES, (to slow, bullets tipped) 1.75 five shot group. 12.0 gr, 1280 fps, 20.8 SD, 48 ES, .94 group (4 in .40) 13.0 gr, 1356 fps, 18.9 SD, 57 ES, .62 group If you use H110 or Win 296 reduce the above charges by .5 gr and you will get similar results. Frank
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4143 Location: Berrien Springs, MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #50 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	thank you, I'll be shooting the powder I have for a while, and I have quite a bit of it. The rifle is new to me so I'll be doing a chamber cast and slugging the bore; though I have no doubt it will prove to be a very well crafted and set up piece. I already have a mould for a stop ring bullet and I believe I have another mould in my assortment. Problem is there is such a plethora of moulds for the 32-40/8.15 that there are almost too many choices

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #51 - Jul 17^th, 2013 at 1:59am	Print Post
	4759 will give very close velocity's at the same charges but, probably with a little less accuracy. Use std pistol primers with it, I've had my best results with Rem 2 1/2. Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10624 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #52 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 1:17am	Print Post
	Shaw what yardage were you shooting? JLouis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10624 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #53 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Thank you Sir. JLouis

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HamboneDave Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2015	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #54 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	2003 Pedersoli Sharps 45 2.1 Starline cases 80grs (wgt) Schuetzen 2F, drop tubed .06 Walter wad Compressed .20 from case mouth .441 450gr paper patched (coffee filter paper 3 wraps) to .449 Wetted with water and a little elmers glue solution COL 3.1 Hunting / General: 65grs (wgt) Schuetzen 2F, drop tubed .03 Walter wad Compressed .62 from case mouth .1 grease (50/50 beeswax, crisco) .459 405grFRN COL 2.585 My 2 cents worth

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2480 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #55 - Mar 20^th, 2016 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	My most accurate load to date. 32-40 BS in a Ballard with 11.5 gain twist RKS bbl and High Wall with 14 twist GM bbl. Hoch Darr style tapered mold from CPA.@ 20-1 Home brew lube (3 parts Beeswax, 1 part Anhydrous lanolin, 1 part Camp Dry mink oil, 1/4th part LubeGard valve and assembly lube. All by volume) Alliant 300MP 12.4 gr Rem 9 1/2 primers Jack

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2480 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #56 - May 1^st, 2016 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	I decided to try John Louis' suggestion and see what a 14+ gr load would do. Since I was going to run out of my original lot during an upcoming 9 day series of matches, I wen to the range yesterday with the new lot. The same setting on my Harrell's measure showed a 1/10 grain lighter that the old lot. Upping the measure setting from 96 to 97 brought the charge back to 12.4 gr and the group as as good at the old lot. Then I upped to the charge to 14.1 gr , work up a 1/10 at a time and eventually I found the best group at 14.5 gr. Now I have to see how it does at Spokane. Jack

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John Boy Ex Member	25-21 Smokeless Schuetzen Loads Reply #57 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:27pm	Print Post
	25-21 Smokeless Loads ... From Sharpe's book: 8.0/2400/60-gr. metal-cased/ 1527 fps/ 10.5K PSI 11.0/2400/60-gr. MC/ 2036 fps/ 18.0k PSI 13.0/2400/60-gr. MC/2370 fps/ 29.6K PSI (Max or near-max) 6.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" seating depth/953 fps/ 9.1 K PSI 10.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/1673 fps/ 18k PSI 12.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/200 fps/29.4K "Strong rifles only" 5.5/Unique/86-gr lead/0.450" SD/1525 fps From The Breech-loading Single-shot Rifle: 5.0/Unique/Lyman 88-gr. #257464, breech-seated ahead of case/blotting paper wad in case. 8.0/2400/rest same as above.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #58 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 3:56pm	Print Post
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ratseye Full Member Offline Posts: 202 Location: Eastern, PA Joined: Feb 28^th, 2017	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #59 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:43am	Print Post
	This is not exactly a Schuetzen rifle but I thought I would throw in my two cents. 577-450 Martini reworked to Creedmoor style. 10x MVA model A scope. 29" original barrel in excellent condition. So far I have three, five shot groups under one inch at 100 yards benched. Bertram 577-450 brass Federal LR Bench Rest Primer 22.1 grains Nobel Sport Vectan A0 4 grains Polyfill Lee .429" 500 grain 3R unsized 16-1 alloy Paper patched with tracing paper - Bore Butter patch lube Seated to just touch Avg - 1267 fps SD - 7.1 fps There is a picture in the photos section under "Reworked Martini" Thanks, Ratseye


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