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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3912 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #15 - Nov 24^th, 2007 at 11:08am	Print Post
	Hey Joe, Oddly enough, that was the most accurate FIXED load I ever had in my recently traded Ruger. Only difference was the bullet was a Bud Welch adaptation of the old Pope bullet without so much taper. I'm wondering whether I ought to go back and look at it again for my breech seated loads, but with 15-20 lb of 4759 to shoot up, it may be a while! Froggie


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 533 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #16 - Nov 25^th, 2007 at 7:10am	Print Post
	fbw mod j 32-40 douglas 1-15 brewer 208 gr french style seated completely in the lands 1/20 mix 15.5 grs 4759 cork wad on powder ww large pistol primers one old ww 32-40 case home made emmert with a twist of cosmoiline and some gunslick gun grease added. charlie harst mix. works very well. irish


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11327 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #17 - Dec 13^th, 2007 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	25/20 SS. 7.5 gr of IMR 4227. No wad. 112 gr Pope style tapered bullet is breech seated in the rifling ahead of the case. Fed SR match primer. This load is very accurate in my cast iron Ballard. It is also a very low pressure load. Safe in any sound Ballard or original low wall Winchester. Joe.

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Subsailor Full Member Offline "Sharks of Steel" U.S. Submarine Force Posts: 107 Location: Lawrenceville, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2005	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #18 - Jul 7^th, 2008 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	I got to spend some quality time with the rifle this past weekend. Tested different primers and different powder. This is what I ended up with as the best combo. Beats my now previous load using SR4759 Austrian Martini 8.15x46R Schuetzen rifle 28" Octagon barrel, 1-15" twist, tapered bore Lyman 313260 as cast 20:1, 165gr, .315" Bullet-Breech Seated Single R-P 30-30 case Fire formed CCI 250 Magnum Large rifle primer 17.5 gr IMR 4064 SPG Lube No over powder wad 1310fps I will get to use it this coming weekend at Thurmond. Craig

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38-55 Full Member Offline Posts: 126 Location: central pa Joined: Jul 18^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #19 - Jul 8^th, 2008 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	25-21 Stevens on a CPA with Shilen barrel, and a 1 in 12 twist. Hoch pope style bullet at 105 grains. Bullet is breach seated ahead of 8 grains of AA #9. There is a floral wad .25 inch ahead of the powder and a cork wad to top the thing off. Shoots very well on a calm day.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2008 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Plain Uberti 38-55 HiWall with a 3" Soule vernier and a Lyman 17A: Lyman 378674 332gr Bhn 8.2 Starline 2.125 Federal 150 0.01 Paper wad over primer hole Meteor FFg-Sifted 42grs 0.03 LDPE wad 2.950 COAL 1087 fps Took vernier setting this October at the Ridgway Rifle Club on all the steels out to 500m. Rifle shot this recipe accurately and the steels went down consistently


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Ol_Deuce Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 343 Location: Billings,Montana Joined: Nov 19^th, 2008	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #21 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:50am	Print Post
	I have a Orignal AYDT 7.7x46R with a 32'' barrel My starting load was 21gr IMR3031 165 gr bullet 3.15 Loading dies are home made 32-40 brass cut to 46mm in length fireformed
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Ed_Tilford Ex Member	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #22 - May 13^th, 2009 at 10:49pm	Print Post
	10.5 gr AA#9, Lee Liquid Alox lube, 14 twist barrel, 175 gr 0.323" spritzer bullet, small pistol primers (any I can get), 32 Brewer cartage (32 Max cut to 1.4") and reduced neck to 0.323" od. Cast 20/1, experimenting with swaged bullets


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #23 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	Old Reloading Manual 32-40 - 170gr bullet All using a Remington 9 1/2 primer H2400 - 13gr - 1125 fps H2400 - 14gr - 1300 fps IMR4227 - 14gr - 1050 fps IMR4198 - 19gr - 1295 fps IMR3031 - 26gr - 1545 fps IMR4895 - 28gr - 1700 fps IMR4064 - 23.5gr - 1525 fps ............................................................... 32-40 Hodgdon Loading Data All MAXIMUM Loading Data 196 GR. HOCH H4227 .324" 2.555" 13.0 1367 18,000 CUP 196 GR. HOCH H110 .324" 2.555" 12.0 1376 19,200 CUP 196 GR. HOCH Lil'Gun .324" 2.555" 9.3 1237 19,600 CUP 196 GR. HOCH IMR Trail Boss .324" 2.555" 5.0 833 12,500 CUP MINIMUM 6.0 935 25,300 CUP MAXIMUM 202 GR. POPE H4227 .324" 2.555" 14.0 1376 15,900 CUP 202 GR. POPE H110 .324" 2.555" 13.0 1386 17,900 CUP 202 GR. POPE Lil'Gun .324" 2.555" 9.5 1264 20,100 CUP 204 GR. MILLER H4227 .324" 2.555" 13.5 1367 16,300 CUP 204 GR. MILLER H110 .324" 2.555" 13.0 1369 17,900 CUP 204 GR. MILLER Lil'Gun .324" 2.555" 10.8 1310 20,100 CUP ....................................................... Goex Loading Data: 32-40 165gr bullet - 40gr FFFg - 1450 fps ....................................................... Ideal Hand Book - 1949 32-40 Bullet - Weight - Powder - Grains - Velocity 32360 - 125gr - #2400 - 13.0gr - 1680 fps 319247 - 165 - #4759 - 9.0 - 1107 319247 - 165 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1427 319247 - 165 - #2400 - 13.6 - 1545 321232 - 170 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1400 319295 - 170 - Lightning - 21.0 - 1800 319289 - 185 - #2400 - 11.0 - 1250 319273 - 185 - #4759 - 13.0 - 1350 (unsized, barrel throated)


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #24 - Jul 6^th, 2010 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	For any of you that would like to load for the 32/35 Stevens. I worked with this caliber for more than 5 years. It's a wonderful all around cartridge. I shot smokless ASSRA matches, BP matches and CBA matches with it. It did either very well or excelled in all of them. The gun was a Hoch that I reworked, barreled with a straight octigon Douglas barrel of .308 groove dia. 14 twist, 26" lg and chambered with my own reamer. All BSed smokeless loads were with Darr lube and a 1.165 lg tapered Ron Long spitzer cast in 22-24/1 alloy. Same with BP but with my own lube. CBA loads were fixed GC loads, 2 ww/1 lino, using 30% lithium in beeswax for lube. My BP lube was equal parts par, vas, bw & Crisco. GC primers were Fed210. CBA load 26.0gr AA2520 2027 fps, 170gr Saeco TP, 2.9 SD, 7 ES 27.0gr 2015 fps, 187gr RCBS 180 FN, 9 SD, 22 ES This case has about 2.2 cc vol. about what the 30 PPC has. Smokeless BS 11.5gr WC 820 1446 fps, 9.3 SD, 32 ES (Fed210) 12.0gr IMR4227 1423 fps, 8.3 SD, 24 ES (Fed150) 13.0gr WW 296 1460 fps, 8.9 SD, 30 ES (Fed150) BP 5.0gr 4759/30gr F 1523fps 39.1 SD, 90 ES Fed 30 American Case F100 primer Darr lube was 1373 fps, 1/2 the ES but .2" larger groups @ 100 yds. I know .312 is the std groove but, I wanted .308. I'm not a purest but, I am a traditionalist. QC in thoses days wasn't that great, anyway LOL

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #25 - Jul 7^th, 2010 at 12:02am	Print Post
	After reading my post. I must add a disclaimer. DO NOT USE IN ANY Model 44 Stevens or weaker action. Use only in 44 1/2 or action of equal strenght!

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7137 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #26 - Jul 12^th, 2010 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	38 XL or low pressure 357 Max Winchester Low Wall, 28" rebored barrel, 20 twist, Fed 357 Max cases, Ideal 35875 mold 208gr in 20/1, Darr lube, BSed. T10 weaver scope. 8.0gr Unique, 1323 fps, 28 ES 10.0gr B'dot, 1349 fps, 56 ES 14.0gr WC820,1437 fps, 28.3 SD, 71 ES 1.0 group @ 100 (I haven't retried this load with rifle primers but, I think the ES would go way down) 15.5 IMR4227, no chrono, 1.4 group, 4 in .69 @ 100
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Sendaro Oldtimer Offline When the sight is on SEND IT! Posts: 588 Location: Saratoga Springs NY Joined: Nov 21^st, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #27 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:25am	Print Post
	I have a Stevens 44 in 32-40. The rifle is in very good condition and nice and tight when the lever is closed. I'm new to this form and shooting cast bullets in rifles. Have shot cast bullets in revolvers for over 40 years, but new to shooting them in rifles. Everything that I'm reading tells me that my Stevens 44 is not a strong action, so I'm being very carful in what I load and shoot in it. So far I have shot IMR4227 powder at 12.0 to 13.0 grains with cast bullets of 158 grain to 200 grain. The 200 grain bullets are not going through the target key holing but the hole in the target paper shows they have a heavy yaw. The best the rifle has shot so far has been with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Lyman 319247 bullet (PRIMERS USED ARE FEDERAL 210). I have also had some good groups with the SAECO 632 bullet breach seated over the 12.2 grain charge of IMR4227. My rifle has a 1 in 16 twist so I do not believe it will handle bullets that are longer than 1 inch. I would like to hear suggestions from those of you that have had experice with a rifle like mine and where I should go with my quest for accuracy with cast bullets in it. I'd like to have a accurate fixed ammo load and a good load for breach seating. Would placing a thin dental wax wad on top of the powder charge help the powder burn more uniformly? There is just so much room left in the case when a smokeless charge is used. I find that there is a lot of burnt power crumbs in the bore adn the feel of the rifle in recoild tells me that the ignition is just not the same everytime. The results over the chronograph conferm this also with a ES of up to 55 fps. New to all of this and want to hear your suggestions. Please feel free to contact me at my email address (jads@citlink.net) as I have some interesting photos of bullets recovered. Thanks, Sendaro


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #28 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:40am	Print Post
	Sendaro The 44 action is on the weaker side. Some will tell you not to shoot it with smokeless but if you keep the pressures low it will not harm the action. You are right the 200 gr bullet is a little to long to stabilize without raising pressures to an unacceptable level for a 44. Best to keep your bullet length under an inch somewhere between .900" and an inch. That should let you shoot with a load that gives an acceptable level of pressure. 40 Rod


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Sendaro Oldtimer Offline When the sight is on SEND IT! Posts: 588 Location: Saratoga Springs NY Joined: Nov 21^st, 2010	Re: Schuetzen Loads Reply #29 - Dec 4^th, 2010 at 7:42am	Print Post
	40_Rod, Would like to hear your suggestions for loads in my old Stevens 44 in 32-40 Winchester. I have the following powder on hand, IMR4227, SR4759, H110, and Unique. The bullet that I have been casting and shooting is the Lyman 319247 while I wait for my new SAECO 632 mold to be delivered to me. Had some of the 632 bullets that I bought and they seemed to shoot well breach seated with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Federal 210 primer. Also have several different large rifle and pistol primers. Most of my test loads have been with the IMR4227 powder between 12.0 grains and 13.5 grains. I do find a lot of partially burnt powder in the bore. It has been suggested to me that the pressure is low and that is why the powder in leaving the partially burnt crumbs in the bore. It has been suggested to me that I should try H110 between 11 and 13 grains. What are your thoughts on this? Have recovered bullets that show the base as being dented by powder on only one half of the base. I have tried to attach a photo of this and hope that I have done it correctly. Thanks, Sendaro


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