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Re: Martini .577-450
Reply #15 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 11:33am
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There is a fellow at NSSA, Greg Edington, who has spent quite a bit of effort trying to replica Civil War Williams bullets.  I think that these were quite popular in the latter part of the war in part because they cleaned the fouling out of the barrels.  Anyway a straight copy isn't apparently allowed under NSSA shooting rules (I think) so Greg has been trying to come up with an equivalent that is.

When he gets an idea he has Lee make a mould.  Only works if he can drum up enought interest but this happens occasionally.  I've got two of his rather oddly shaped bullet moulds.

Greg has also written two or three articles for the NSSA on the history of these bullets and why or how they are suppose to work.

Alas I became aware of this after selling most of my rifles that might benefit from this bullet design work.  BUT if you are having accuracy problems with an old blackpowder rifle, you might want to look Greg up and talk to him.  I couldn't possibly summarizes his work.

BUT I am really impressed with the amount of work he has done and the results he has gotten.
  
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Re: Martini .577-450
Reply #16 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 1:55pm
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I actually have one of his Wilkinson-Lorenz bullet moulds in .45, and when patched it makes quite a nice bullet for 577-450 (works good too in my volunteer, I might add).  My only problem is the Lee mould.  While cheap, it is very delicate and not exactly a precision instrument.
The design is sound, though - I much prefer the compression wedge design over the classic minie HB design.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 3:52pm
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If I find that his moulds work well, I'd just go the cost of having Ballisti-Cast copy it and have a gang mould made.
  
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Re: Martini .577-450
Reply #18 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 4:47pm
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I don't know that outfit, but one thing is sure - making such a compression wedge bullet doesn't seem to be simple...
This is a lubed and sized one, ready for the P-H Volunteer:
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Quite important not to fill the 'grooves' completely, otherwise it won't expand as well.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 5:12pm
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Ballisti-Cast are the ones now making Hensley & Gibbs moulds.  They also will do some custom work.  VERY nice work!
  
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Reply #20 - Jan 15th, 2006 at 10:14am
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KLW, do you have contact info for Ballisticast? I've been using H&G moulds since the '60s & have been wanting more.
TIA, Joe
  
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Reply #21 - Jan 15th, 2006 at 11:23am
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Wayne Gibbs wanted there to be NO confusion between H&G and Ballisti-Cast moulds so two things were changed, the numbers identifying a mould and the way the moulds were serial numbered.

Ballisti-Cast moulds have an identification number that is 600 higher than there H&G counterparts.  So H&G bullet #22 became Ballisti-Cast mould #622.

Ballisti-Cast does not list all their moulds on their web site.  And they have expanded the line.  Also they will make custom orders.  That cost $100 extra.  Finally they have discontinued the eight and ten cavity blocks.

I've got several Ballisti-Cast moulds.  They are every bit as good as H&G's.

If you want something I'd suggest calling and asking for, I think, Peter, the owner.
  
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Reply #22 - Jan 15th, 2006 at 1:04pm
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The Education I am getting is first rate, thanks guys
Thickside Smiley
  
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Reply #23 - Jan 15th, 2006 at 3:09pm
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If anyone has a .577-450 or 450 #2 Musket or similar cartridge in a single shot like  a Martini or a double (with hammers), that they would be willing to sell, please feel free to contact me at brentd@iastate.edu.

I may be a bit tardy in reply.  I'm about to step on to a plane and destination email availability is a bit spotty or worse for the coming week.

Thanks,
Brent
  
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