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Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Jul 6th, 2026 at 9:55pm
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I am doing some research on the strength of a tight and clean Remington # 2 action.
The rifle is currently in 32 Rim Fire with a bad bore
The customer wants it relined and converted to a center fire

The calibers I am presenting to him are

32 S&W long    15,000 psi
32-20 WCF       16,000 psi
32 H&R Mag     21,000 psi

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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2026 at 10:41pm
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I think it's fine with at least the first two.  I don't think I'd go to the H&R Mag.  Probably safe, but pushing the limits on a 140 year old gun, with a liner.  About like shooting proof loads all the time on an original cartridge.
  
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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:08pm
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You might also consider 38 special.  JES rebored a rifle like yours for a friend of mine and he loves it. 
More cost effective than a liner.
  

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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #3 - Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:42pm
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I have a #4 and a Hopkins & Allen converted from 32 rim to 32 S&W Long and it is a cheap, fun and accurate cartridge. The downside is that you are limited to 50 yards or so which limits it's use. I also think that re-boring is the way to go in which case I would choose the 44/40 or 38/40 simply because it would put the rifle in the deer class with low pressure and recoil.
  
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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 8:41am
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The same action was used for the army and navy pistol in 50 caliber. The brass was only 1/2" long so it could not have had much powder. The action was designed for the black powder cartridges up to 44 so you could go with just about any black powder pistol cartridge. The 25-20 or 32-20 would be great. While it may hold up with 38-40 or 44-40 the bolt thrust may be a bit much if they were loaded with smokeless powder. The original 44-40 pressure was 11,000 psi. The 38 Special was designed to be reloaded with smokeless or black powder with a pressure of 17,000 but if someone were to use a +P load it may be to much for the #2.
A while back I someone sent in a Steven 44 in 25-20 that someone thought would work as a 25-35. The breach block broke so it was replaced and the second one broke also. Please don't push the #2 above what it was designed for.
  

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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 2:35pm
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I believe the old .50 Navy & Army cartridges were only around 25 grains of BP? Very wimpy and low pressure. The #2 is fairly strong, and no comparison to a #4 that's far weaker.
Originals were chambered in .32-20, and also .38-40, so either would work, but I'd prefer a .32-20 or a .32 Long myself. The .38 Special could get fired with a .38 Spl. +P so I personally wouldn't choose that chambering.
  

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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 9:06pm
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I reworked a Win Low Wall a couple of years ago from 32 RF to 38 Spl.
But I stamped the caliber 38 Long Colt as that was a  factory chambering
What a hoot to shoot, the customer just loves it.

Talked more to the customer with the Rem #2

He has a bunch of 22 Magnum and 22 WRF ammo
Also a lot of 32 S&W Long ammo which he reloads for

He will decide which caliber once he sees my work quote

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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #7 - yesterday at 12:59pm
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Is it so much a question of pressure or is it the thrust produced on the locking surfaces?
  
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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #8 - yesterday at 9:20pm
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oneatatime wrote yesterday at 12:59pm:
Is it so much a question of pressure or is it the thrust produced on the locking surfaces?


It's usually referred to as bolt thrust. The pressure times the area of the brass in front of the rim. Many of the lower pressure cartridges the brass will cling to the chamber wall and not have much bolt thrust but you can't rely on this because sometime there is a head separation of the brass. I had a head separation on a 50 BMG that was not a reload so it can happen with new ammo.
  

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Re: Strength of a Rem # 2 action
Reply #9 - yesterday at 10:07pm
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Chamber PSI is very good at predicting if your barrel and/or receiver around the chamber will fail under hoop stress.  It’s not good at predicting failure of the locking mechanism.  Bolt thrust is better at predicting load on the locking mechanism.  Both are predictions.  That’s why firearms are usually designed with a safety margin.
  
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