Page Index Toggle Pages: [1]  Send TopicPrint
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) Ballard .38-55 (Read 1358 times)
toppkatt
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 29
Joined: Feb 7th, 2020
Ballard .38-55
Apr 4th, 2024 at 8:45am
Print Post  
Just got a Ballard in .38-55. Want to reload for it. The bore is 0.374 the groove diameter is 0.382. Twist rate is 1:22. I will only be shooting black powder. What would a good  starting load be for this rifle? I tried 40 Gr. 1.5F Swiss with a card wad over powder. Had slight compression of powder when bullet was loaded, pushing a 249 Gr. flat nose and it looked like I was shooting a shotgun. at 100 yards (not much better at 50 yds).
Thanks
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
art_ruggiero
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1062
Location: CT
Joined: Dec 14th, 2008
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #1 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 8:49am
Print Post  
i use 44 gr. swiss 1.5  about . 140 comp  shoots good
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JKR
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 40
Joined: Nov 2nd, 2021
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #2 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 10:00am
Print Post  
toppkatt,
With that load you should be seeing better results than that. Do you have a good bullet fit? My Highwall has a liner that’s .368/.375. It shoots very well with Swiss 1 1/2 and loads like Art has mentioned. Heavier bullet though. 300 grains. 
JKR
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
toppkatt
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 29
Joined: Feb 7th, 2020
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #3 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 10:05am
Print Post  
Well the bullet was one I purchased. I asked for 0.382 and black powder lube but the bullets actually measure 0.381 to 0.3815 so perhaps they aren't big enough. I'm having a mold made so I can size my own. Also, not sure the lube really was for black powder as it was red in color and I've never seen a red black powder lube, but then I haven't seen every permutation of BP lube in this world, so there is that...  Smiley


thanks for the feedback. Seems I'm not out of the solar system with where I began.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JKR
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 40
Joined: Nov 2nd, 2021
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #4 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 11:26am
Print Post  
Provided your rifle has a reasonably good bore,I think you’ll see better results when you get your new mould and use a lube that’s meant for BP. 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
toppkatt
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 29
Joined: Feb 7th, 2020
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #5 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 11:46am
Print Post  
The bore is very good. So awaiting the mould arrival and will then cast, size and lube for myself. Will see if it improves, but probably not until early summer with other things already planned Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RSW
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1159
Location: Arizona
Joined: Sep 8th, 2006
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #6 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 12:34pm
Print Post  
toppkatt
You did not mention anything about fouling control in your original post. Do you wipe the bore between shots, use a blow tube to soften fouling or perhaps shooting dirty? How you control fouling can make a big difference in accuracy.
  

Randy W
ASSRA 10211  -  ISSA 125
There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
toppkatt
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 29
Joined: Feb 7th, 2020
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #7 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 12:51pm
Print Post  
Don't use a blow tube, but the first string of 10 shots I did a damp patch then a dry patch, second string of 10 I used damp patch only and third string I didn't do anything (kinda getting frustrated by this time). The best was probably the damp patch only, but not sure it was 'statistically significant'.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RSW
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1159
Location: Arizona
Joined: Sep 8th, 2006
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #8 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 1:37pm
Print Post  
toppkatt
Looks like you have fouling under control. Sorry I couldn't add anything helpful  Sad
  

Randy W
ASSRA 10211  -  ISSA 125
There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
toppkatt
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 29
Joined: Feb 7th, 2020
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #9 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:54pm
Print Post  
I appreciate any and all constructive advise.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 15795
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #10 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 6:06pm
Print Post  
The damp patch sounds fine, but be sure to at least dry the chamber with a dry patch, or a chamber mop to avoid getting any case separations. 
You will possibly find that once you have the correct diameter bullet that it may have issues chambering a cartridge with a fixed bullet large enough to seal the bore. If so then you may end up wanting a stepped band bullet with a base band large enough to seal, but forwards bands smaller so the fixed cartridges chamber without any issues. Or you might switch to breech seating, and maybe even smokeless powder.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
moodyholler
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 675
Location: Blue Ridge
Joined: Oct 11th, 2005
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 4:48pm
Print Post  
I would bet bullets are hard.
  
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
oneatatime
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 3763
Location: Rocky Mountains
Joined: Oct 30th, 2011
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 7:46pm
Print Post  
You shouldn't be doing any compression at all with the bullet. You need one of these to seat the wad on the powder: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
toppkatt
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 29
Joined: Feb 7th, 2020
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #13 - Apr 8th, 2024 at 5:54am
Print Post  
What is the advantage of using one of these instruments over compressing with flat base of bullet while seating if there is a wad between bullet and powder?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
silver
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 174
Location: Central wi,
Joined: Sep 20th, 2016
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #14 - Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:17am
Print Post  
You don’t want to deform the base of the bullet.
If case is chamber fired and not resized ,bullet  should be hand seatable.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bulseyetom
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 946
Location: Santa Maria, Ca
Joined: Oct 31st, 2010
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #15 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 8:30pm
Print Post  
Take this with a grain of salt as I don't shoot competition but have learned quite a bit about shooting cast bullets in old rifles the last 5 or 6 years.  I assume that you are just shooting at the range so this is my approach to reloading.  First and foremost, do a chamber cast which sounds terrifying but is actually quite easy I found.  This allows you to see how much freebore you have and what the length and diameter of the freebore is.  I want my bullets to be at least freebore diameter.  I also want the bullet to be about the same diameter as the inside diameter of the fired case.  I use Accurate Moulds as my source as you can pick a bullet near what you need out of the catalog and then modify the dimensions and Tom will build it to your specifications.  I also like a bore riding bullet but I don't shoot much black so not sure how that works.  My 38/56 Roller with a long bore riding bullet shoots moa at 100 yards with smokeless.  If the bullet as cast is the proper diameter I pan lube and never look back.  If needed, I size after pan lubing so I don't collapse the lube grooves.  Now if the stars align, I can load my powder, add a wad and compress do the desired seating depth.  The bullet will be slipped into the case and might need to be seated with a die but I never resize the case.  I sometimes need to use a custom expander die from Buffalo Arms to open the brass if the bullet is too tight.  If so, I then set the seater for a very light crimp to make sure that the loaded case will chamber.  Being lazy, I always use a duplex load to help with my fouling.  My Ballard Pacific in 40-85 will shoot quite a few rounds with 6 grains of 5744 and the rest Old Ensford 3fffg.  Cleaning the bore is a snap but cleaning the brass is a major pain.  That is why I shoot smokeless in my HiWall and Rolling Blocks!  My Ballard shoots patterns with smokeless loads but shoots great with 3fffg.  Good luck.  Tom
  
Back to top
Twitter  
IP Logged
 
Grand slam
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 319
Location: Mountains of E. Tennessee
Joined: Jun 7th, 2015
Re: Ballard .38-55
Reply #16 - Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:44am
Print Post  
I would definitely try a LDPE wad for your load. I’d bet a doughnut that you are getting flame cutting with the wad you are shooting.
Good luck
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 
Send TopicPrint