Hi, I've been lurking around here a bit getting information and enjoying the people at this site.  So, about me as it relates to single shots, I have a few Shilohs and C Sharps in calibers 45-50 to 38-55.  More a target shooter than anything else, I don't complete, but I do like striving for the best shooting I can do.
So, I think this may have been asked before, but between the 23" MVA scope (or Winchster B) and the 20" DZ scope which one do you folks think best suits shooting between 100-200 yards as a target scope?  One that would hold up to 45-70 loads as well.
Thanks, for any input.

"That said, if I were not shooting matches that require era type scopes and mounts but still wish to use an external adjustment scope I would spend my money on a Unertl with the click adjusters and the POSA mounts; best deal out there, jmho."

I see you're in NC, I'm in Onslow County.  Are Unertl scopes still being made?

Ivar wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:


No new Unertls are on the market but they come up occasionally on this site and Ebay for sale. The later versions with the one inch tube are brighter and a little cheaper dependent on the power range.

I live on the other end of NC near Statesville. If you are ever inclined to shoot short range buffalo gun matches there are three clubs in the area holding such. Come over sometime and enjoy the fun.

I appreciate all the feedback so far.  I do like the idea of a Unertl scope, but am hesitant to purchase one on Ebay as I don't know if there's problems with them.   I'd buy one here from one of the members with no issue.
Both DZ and MVA scopes offer pluses and minuses for their products, so I'm going to think about I want.  I kind of like the MVA A scope 10X.   
Question, I picked up a Lyman SuperTarget spot 15x with mounts a few years ago at a pawn shop.  Since the crosswire was missing, so I paid $20.00 for it.  I then sent it to Bob Seip who replaced the wire and ensured everything else was satisfactory.  I'd like to use that on a Shiloh 1874 40-65.  Will that scope hold up to that caliber?

I have competed with both. The MVA has much better optics than the DZ but the DZ mounts are much better than the MVA’s.
Cheers Richard

Val what do you like about the Feckers over the others?  I've never seen one.  I'd really like to find another 20x STS.

Chris.

gunlaker wrote on Feb 16^th, 2024 at 11:41am:


Chris I like the center adjustment for focus. It's so much easier to reach the center focus vs. way out on the objective bell! Plus Fecker is where Unertl worked before he broke away and started his own scope business!

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Check out the Unertl 20X 1 1/2" clone from Hi-Lux, also the 1 1/4 Sniper 8X.  Couple of them in our club lately and they are clear and bright with modern coated optics.  Those guys got great military discounts, and mounts have positive clicks, come with bases.

Ivar wrote on Feb 18^th, 2024 at 5:15pm:


Unertls seem to run around $700-$800 for a 15x, and on occasion I've seen them down around $600-$650, but not too often these days.

Ivar wrote on Feb 18^th, 2024 at 9:02pm:


750-900  for 1.25
Big programmers $1400  and up.( like sometimes over 2k if bidders are drunk)

I like the more traditional look of the MVA "B" with the black knobs...

FWIW I think in-line muzzle loaders are a sin, just call me a Luddite.

Old-Win wrote on Feb 16^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Old-Win the ranges I presently shoot at only have 300 yds max.
But thank you for your informative info.  I kind of knew that but to be honest I did not think about it, I guess because of the range limitations I have presently.

The black "knobs" on Lyman's is one of the reasons I like them so well. Unertl did offer black anodized mounts/knobs, but they are not nearly as common. The earlier Lyman's were blued steel. Fecker scopes are very fine scopes, but all still have bright aluminum mounts, and higher power 16-20+ hard to find, or determine as most are not marked as to power. A lot of if"s, and's or butt's. Choose any of the above, and you will be happy.

Thank you, Vall but, it's kinda complicated for me.

In the past, I have aimed a scope at the window blinds and counted the number of blinds I can see in the scope, vs the number that my eye can see, in the approx area of the scopes field of view. Not as accurate but, gives a idea.

I read about calculating it that way (not the blinds but, using brick work), in a old AR.

Vall,
The way it works, is that you count the number blinds or brick rows that the the scope covers (can be vertical or horizontal) then you note the distance the lens covered on that surface with the naked eye. You then count the number of "blinds" that are in that distance, then divide the 2 numbers.

i.e.
In the magnified area, you see 10 blinds and in unmagnified view, that same distance has 100 blinds, it's 10x. The hard part, is determining the distance that the magnified area covers. You need a reference points. I used the top of the blinds, then try to get a good idea of where the bottom of the magnified view is with the naked eye.

I haven't done it but, the way to do that, would be to number the blinds, to know exactly where that point is.

Also, I focus the the scope down, to it's shortest distance so, it only takes in a few of the blinds, to make it easier to pick out my reference points. It will be more problematic with higher powers. I have only done it, in the house, with 4 - 8x scopes.

I don't believe you have to do it at 100 yds and you can do it, at any distance that the scope will focus down to. As a thought, for higher powers, you could set up a tape measure, horizontally. Focus on it, at any convenient distance. Note the last number you can see, with the FOV at the start of the tape, then have someone mark, where the outer edge, of the FOV is, with the naked eye.

Doing it with the blinds wouldn't have the accuracy of the way they do it in the link but, using a tape measure, as I described, I think would. 

No, you open the other eye to observe the area covered by the magnified view.

Grand slam wrote on Feb 16^th, 2024 at 8:29am:


+1

watchthewind wrote on Feb 27^th, 2024 at 11:38pm:


Interesting.  Have you seen a set?  Do they have the same extra 0.2" of elevation that the DZ mounts have?

Chris.

Thanks Clarence.

Chris.

gunlaker wrote on Feb 28^th, 2024 at 9:13am:


Kenny W has been using those mounts for a year or so. 

If I want to use Steve Earls Case Colored Blocks set at a spacing of 7.20, will I be able to mount either a Lyman STS, MVA A or a Malcomb scope using these blocks?  Will they all fit these blocks?

Thanks Chris, I ordered a couple of blocks from Steve Earl and am waiting on them.