Hello to all. New here and this is my first post. At a pawn shop I encountered a Haenel single shot in a caliber I wasn’t familiar with. A 8.15x46 R I think. The little reading I’ve done on it says I can fire form cases out of .30-30 cases. They were wanting about $2000 for it and I was hesitant because I’ve already got a Spencer carbine on layaway there, but it interested me and I would like more knowledge on it from anyone here. Thanks

Hi! I love my Haenel Aydt. I have a post on it here:
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Yes several options for 8.15x46R brass. Find it from RWS, reform it yourself from 30-30 or 32-40 or even sellers on auction sites sell already formed brass. I paid about that price, I thought it was a bit too pricey but I really wanted it.

For info there is a great book series in English Die Alte Scheibenwaffe that describes German Schuetzen rifles. Also feuerbixler.com is a German language website with more details.

Ask away your questions and plenty of folks here happy to answer.
-Dave

$2000 would have to be a very special Haenel Aydt. If it's one of the high grade engraved in excellent shape then it's OK. But if it's not high condition, or a plain model that's a bit high asking price in my opinion.

I’ve bid on a couple of German schuetzen rifles recently, even the plain ones are going high, more than I’ll pay.
Mike

When I head to the range, I take a couple of system Concurrenz. Both 8.15x46r, 13gr IMR4227, 172gr stop ring, RWS brass.
Mike

marlinguy wrote on Feb 10^th, 2024 at 10:57am:


I always figure at least $300 for original tang sights, and more if the sliding barrel sight is there also.
Mike

SchwartzStock wrote on Feb 13^th, 2024 at 7:04am:


Many different chamberings were tried on these old Schuetzens. I have a System Frohn chambered for the Brit 303 (shoots very well) and a Stiegele martini chambered for 32 Winchester Spcl.
Mike

Many U.S. shooters don't know this, but...

Per the overseas experts in the GGCA (German Gun Collectors Association):

* Unlike U.S. target rifles with a rear tang sight and a front sight -- the "middle" or "barrel sight" of a German Schuetzen rifle "stays on the gun" and the shooter uses the front- and mid-sights to aim the rifle.

* The only purpose of the large rear aperture or peep is to "sharpen the image" of the sight picture.

I had a Zimmerstuetzen once (parlor gun, .177 rimmed) that had all 3 sights on it, and I also had a Buchel Meister which only had the rear tang and front on it -- I should have moved the middle/barrel sight of the parlor gun and onto the other, but I learned the above too late...

Old No7

Will the original poster please post a photo of the rifle?  Is it an original Aydt?

KaiserKong wrote on Feb 19^th, 2024 at 6:37pm:


To this question on barrel sight being allowed or not with the dioper, this is a quote from page 3 of this book by Wolfgang Finze:

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"Scheibenbüchsen (egal ob Vorder- oder Hinterlader) hatten meist einen demontierbaren Diopter und oben auf dem Lauf eine Schiene, auf der ein offenes Visier (das Feldvisier) montiert werden konnte. Je nachdem, ob man auf Stand (175m) oder Feld (300m) schoss, wurde entweder der Diopter oder das Feldvisier ge-nutzt. Eine aus drei Punkten bestehende Visierung war unzulässig, man zielte also entweder mit dem Diopter oder der offenen Visierung. Diopter und Feld-visier waren seitlich verstellbar, vor allem, um den auf offenen Ständen immer merkbaren Einfluss des Windes korrigieren zu können."


my translation is:

"Target rifles (whether muzzle or breech-loading) usually had a removable sight and a rail on top of the barrel on which an open sight (the field sight) could be mounted. Depending on whether you were shooting at the stand (175m) or the field (300m), either the rear sight or the field sight was used. A sight consisting of three points was not permitted, so either the diopter or the open sight was used. Sights and field sights were laterally adjustable, mainly to correct the influence of the wind, which was always noticeable on open stands."

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I have more than I need German Schuetzen rifles all have original tang sights. I does not stand to reason that the GI who brought the rifles back would have brought the tang and not the barrel sight. I believe the barrel sight was an option that could be bought with the rifle for field matches.
Mike

A number of these GI bring back guns had no sights on them simply because often the owners removed the sights before surrendering their guns. And if they had an accessory sight it's likely it was in a drawer somewhere for safe keeping, and they wouldn't put it on just to surrender a gun.

There's one on EvilBay right now. Their number 334461522252.