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DancesWithCoyotes Newbie Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Feb 4^th, 2024	Haenel single shot Feb 6^th, 2024 at 8:41pm	Print Post
	Hello to all. New here and this is my first post. At a pawn shop I encountered a Haenel single shot in a caliber I wasn’t familiar with. A 8.15x46 R I think. The little reading I’ve done on it says I can fire form cases out of .30-30 cases. They were wanting about $2000 for it and I was hesitant because I’ve already got a Spencer carbine on layaway there, but it interested me and I would like more knowledge on it from anyone here. Thanks


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1240 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #1 - Feb 6^th, 2024 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Welcome... They are beautiful extremely well made rifles of various calibers. I have had a couple in 22 lr but never a center fire. There are others here who can offer a lot more information than I can but depending on the condition it may be a good purchase. JMH


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KaiserKong Participating Member Offline Posts: 45 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2022	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #2 - Feb 6^th, 2024 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	Hi! I love my Haenel Aydt. I have a post on it here: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Yes several options for 8.15x46R brass. Find it from RWS, reform it yourself from 30-30 or 32-40 or even sellers on auction sites sell already formed brass. I paid about that price, I thought it was a bit too pricey but I really wanted it. For info there is a great book series in English Die Alte Scheibenwaffe that describes German Schuetzen rifles. Also feuerbixler.com is a German language website with more details. Ask away your questions and plenty of folks here happy to answer. -Dave


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #3 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 11:27am	Print Post
	I have several 8.15x46r rifles. If it is a schuetzen rifle, IMR4227 works well. One of the administrators of this website had new brass for sale. Brass can be made from 30-30 with out much trouble. Mike


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #4 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	$2000 would have to be a very special Haenel Aydt. If it's one of the high grade engraved in excellent shape then it's OK. But if it's not high condition, or a plain model that's a bit high asking price in my opinion.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #5 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	DancesWithCoyotes wrote on Feb 6^th, 2024 at 8:41pm: Hello to all. New here and this is my first post. At a pawn shop I encountered a Haenel single shot in a caliber I wasn’t familiar with. A 8.15x46 R I think. The little reading I’ve done on it says I can fire form cases out of .30-30 cases. They were wanting about $2000 for it and I was hesitant because I’ve already got a Spencer carbine on layaway there, but it interested me and I would like more knowledge on it from anyone here. Thanks Is the rifle in fact an Aydt?

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #6 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	I’ve bid on a couple of German schuetzen rifles recently, even the plain ones are going high, more than I’ll pay. Mike


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3758 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #7 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	Here are a few to compare with. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) These are original System Aydt rifles (which have an external extractor) and are often plain and without elaborate engraving. They are heavy and rather awkward except for their designed purpose of offhand target shooting. Later Aydts and those by other makers are the same size but have internal extractors. It is important that they come with their original tang sights. Having had several Aydts I have to say that there are other rifles from other systems that I prefer, especially "Martini" ones which may or may not have the strikers of pure Martinis and rifles with true falling blocks. Aydts are often found with very elaborate engraving which the broad flat action sides permit. They are all fun! Good luck.


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #8 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 11:53pm	Print Post
	When I head to the range, I take a couple of system Concurrenz. Both 8.15x46r, 13gr IMR4227, 172gr stop ring, RWS brass. Mike


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #9 - Feb 10^th, 2024 at 10:57am	Print Post
	Having all the correct sights, and high condition will certainly add value to these rifles. Sights can be found, and Ron Heilman was making some wonderful copies of the rear sights, but they will run around $300 the last I heard, and not sure if he's still doing them or not?

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #10 - Feb 11^th, 2024 at 4:45pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Feb 10^th, 2024 at 10:57am: Having all the correct sights, and high condition will certainly add value to these rifles. Sights can be found, and Ron Heilman was making some wonderful copies of the rear sights, but they will run around $300 the last I heard, and not sure if he's still doing them or not? I always figure at least $300 for original tang sights, and more if the sliding barrel sight is there also. Mike


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1018 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #11 - Feb 13^th, 2024 at 7:04am	Print Post
	A friend of mine recently mentioned that a lot of these guns in the US have been re-chambered for the 32-40 and one should beware when purchasing a Feuerstutzen in the US.

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #12 - Feb 13^th, 2024 at 1:21pm	Print Post
	SchwartzStock wrote on Feb 13^th, 2024 at 7:04am: A friend of mine recently mentioned that a lot of these guns in the US have been re-chambered for the 32-40 and one should beware when purchasing a Feuerstutzen in the US. Many different chamberings were tried on these old Schuetzens. I have a System Frohn chambered for the Brit 303 (shoots very well) and a Stiegele martini chambered for 32 Winchester Spcl. Mike


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Oldtimer Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: Florida Joined: Nov 1^st, 2017	Re: Haenel single shot Brass Reply #13 - Feb 14^th, 2024 at 9:45am	Print Post
	I have RCBS dies and can make brass for once fired 30-30 cases. 8.15x46 is shorter and needs to be trimmed I can do some if interested I have 4 German Aydts for sale as well. Have another rifle that is a 10mm that i do not know anything about. Dads file were lost in the move amejqc4862@gmail.com


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Old_No7 Full Member Offline Posts: 101 Location: Southern Maine Joined: Oct 30^th, 2007	Re: Haenel single shot Reply #14 - Feb 19^th, 2024 at 11:03am	Print Post
	Many U.S. shooters don't know this, but... Per the overseas experts in the GGCA (German Gun Collectors Association): * Unlike U.S. target rifles with a rear tang sight and a front sight -- the "middle" or "barrel sight" of a German Schuetzen rifle "stays on the gun" and the shooter uses the front- and mid-sights to aim the rifle. * The only purpose of the large rear aperture or peep is to "sharpen the image" of the sight picture. I had a Zimmerstuetzen once (parlor gun, .177 rimmed) that had all 3 sights on it, and I also had a Buchel Meister which only had the rear tang and front on it -- I should have moved the middle/barrel sight of the parlor gun and onto the other, but I learned the above too late... Old No7

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