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Reply #15 - Sep 18th, 2023 at 11:55pm
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I’ve done one breech block cut in a receiver using a Bridgeport quill.  For the cutting tool, I used a square carbide insert and it worked well, and was much faster than I thought it would be.  However, I found I had to move the receiver away from the cutter on the upstroke to avoid chipping the insert.  One day I may actually finish the project!
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:56am
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bobw wrote on Sep 18th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
It looks like we are building something from scratch!


Scratch! Yup. My objective is to build a Hauck action with a Farquharson extraction system. I will try to post photos. I am using a scrap block of hot roll that was about the right size. The action will be a bit shorter than a Hauck, but should look the same.

AJ, Interesting looking action! Looks like we are about on the same page!
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Reply #17 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 2:45am
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Another really important thing, with square cuts, is to grind your cutter with a corner radius, as jhm suggested, to help with stress risers, it will also make the cutting edge last longer.

A corner radius as small as 1/64 will help, 1/32 is more than twice as strong. A excellent finish in the corner is also very desirable.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 6:19am
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frnkeore, I should have mentioned the radius if carbide inserts are used.  I don’t recall the radius on the inserts purchased, but it was a factor in the selection.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 8:58am
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50 years ago when just starting my career in a mold shop and before we had our first tube type Elox EDM I used a Bridgeport Quillmaster to cut square pockets in the mill. A single flute cutter ground at a 90 degree and the Quillmaster set at 45 degrees did a slow but decent job to remove the radius from the corners of a pocket. I was curious and did a search, quite a bit of information on the internet.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 9:54am
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I cut a BB mortise with the quill on my Bridgeport once. I made the broach out of drill rod.  I'll be doing another little broach job soon. I'll use a 1/4 lathe bit this time.  The hole needs to be enlarged and moved left just a bit. 

  

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Reply #21 - Sep 19th, 2023 at 10:41pm
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I like the way the square corner cuts. Could I add a radius with a small round file?
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 1:54am
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No, but, you could use a Dermal tool to do it.

A HSS tool bit, is much harder thand a file.
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 7:51am
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frnkeore wrote on Sep 20th, 2023 at 1:54am:
No, but, you could use a Dermal tool to do it.

A HSS tool bit, is much harder thand a file.


Sorry. I did not make it clear. I don't want to change the tool. I want to add the radius to the finished cut. The tiny radius would extend beyond the walls, but the corner would disappear!
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 10:38am
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gwahir wrote on Sep 20th, 2023 at 7:51am:
frnkeore wrote on Sep 20th, 2023 at 1:54am:
No, but, you could use a Dermal tool to do it.

A HSS tool bit, is much harder thand a file.


Sorry. I did not make it clear. I don't want to change the tool. I want to add the radius to the finished cut. The tiny radius would extend beyond the walls, but the corner would disappear!


Maybe, with a small round file - small chainsaw file ?
If you look at the mortice corners on a Ruger No.1 - it almost looks like the corners were drilled prior to broaching or EDM ?
  
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Reply #25 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 11:09am
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I think the mortise corners on the #1 are cast that way. Why not? I appreciate your bringing it up.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 11:34am
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Gerry, 
Add a small radius with a three corner file.  The radius that Ruger puts in their #1 is a tiny bit excessive in my opinion, but I also see their reasoning.
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Reply #27 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 12:36pm
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Do as GT says and finish it with a thin piece of emery (about 220 grit) wrapped around the file, to try to take most of the scratches out, from filing.
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 20th, 2023 at 7:29pm
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After the corners are relieved it is a whole lot easier to fit a square cornered breech block!
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 11:57am
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The cutter using 1/2" HSS. The cutting point is on the center line of the quill. It is sharpened only on the end; not on the sides.


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It takes a rather generous 1/2" cut and can require more force than I like to enter the material. I resolve the issue by  filing a small relief angle at the beginning of the cut.

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I usually advance the cutter a couple thousands at a time. With the relief angle the cutter enters the material easily. With oil on the material I can feel the cutter action as it shaves. I continue to move the cutter up and down in that position until I no longer feel it shave. It is a learning experience. The receiver will be cut some in its shaping which removes the relief angle so there is no cosmetic concern. I have this hole ready for the final clean up cut.
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