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Rust blue
Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:59am
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Brownell's "Classic rust blue" was recommended to me by a nearby custom gun maker friend.  That solution is not available, so I settled for "Pilkington's" solution and am not getting the results I need.  After 5 or 6 "trips" following the included directions I am getting a somewhat bluish brown.  I'm looking for help/suggestions.  Does anyone sell smallish amounts caustic bluing salts?
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:47pm
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Bob, the best rust bluing solution that I've used is made by Mark Lee. I've used Herters, Laurel Mountain, made my own from all the different compounds in  a recipe from Howe's book and still go back to Mark Lee's. If you're looking for caustic bluing salts, you might try Dulite as they used to sell it in small pails.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 2:24pm
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Ive used pilkingtons with success before. You may not have quite enough swamp in your swamp box. I get the best results when its just shy of beading moisture on the metal- which you dont want. If you live somewhere cold and dry in the winter (like Montana) it may be a struggle to get the even heavy rusting that cards off and  turns into  nice deep bluing.
  
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 4:40pm
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You have boiled it I hope? It wont turn dark until it's boiled. 
I also have had good luck with Mark Lee Express Blue rust bluing solution. Takes far less time between applications, and turns very dark.
  

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Re: Rust blue
Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:24pm
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If you live above 4000 ft altitude, you might have trouble turning the brown oxide to black oxide.

A revolver I rust blued at 4140 ft stayed brown, despite extended boiling between passes, unlike the parts I had rust blued at 2700 ft or so, before I moved.  Same (homemade) solution in both cases.

But eventually the revolver did turn blue black, just from passage of time.

A pressure cooker might work (in principle) for small parts, but I’d be leery, since all the ones I see are made of aluminum.  If there is such a thing as a stainless steel version, that might be worth trying.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:37pm
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Steam cabinet will help, need to get the steel warm and moist. I use Algiers book to get a home mixed recipe to blue most things, can nitre blue as well but prefer the rust blue.
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:09pm
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I use either Gun Goddess from Half Moon Rifle Shop or Bob's Rust Blue. Excellent results with both.

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Re: Rust blue
Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:35pm
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craigster wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:09pm:
I use either Gun Goddess from Half Moon Rifle Shop or Bob's Rust Blue. Excellent results with both.

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I'm a fanboy of Bob's solutions. In truth I've had success with Laurel and Pilkington's too, but I live at dead nuts sea level and have never experienced issues with attaining uniform rusting. I barely have to warm my damp box in the summertime.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:39pm
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I use the Niedner Cold Blue solution and process given in Dunlap's book. No Mercury compounds.
Works above 5000 feet and dry climate with a sweat box.
Pay attention to rusting times as it will etch if left too long.
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:24pm
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Bob, 
there's a lot of opinions being said and they all work given the circumstances.   
I'll admit when it comes to the caustic blue, oxynate #7 the results are tough to beat if you want that type of finish and have the desire to mess with it.  I don't care for either now in the current gun builds. 
A few years back I switched to the rust blue method, nitric fuming and a damp cabinet, it's even more effort but it matched the originals in result.  I don't have the time to do this anymore and most recently I tried all the wipe on solutions, some work better for me than others.  Mark Lee's blue and brown solutions have given me the best results.   
There are two things that I have carried over from the original rust blue that have given me stellar result, the first is to always use distilled water - and watch your temp, right at boiling seems to always take my color to a definite black rather than blue, come down slightly from that.  The second thing, you are probably operating at the same altitude as me? nearing 5000'? I purge my water for a minute or so with pure oxygen, from my oxy-act torch setup.  This generally gives me a more even distribution in less cycles.
Something more to think about.
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 5:13pm
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You guys are fancy.  I just use a mixture of drug store hydrogen peroxide, white vinegar, and table salt.  I get good rust and use a steam pipe to convert instead of boiling.
  
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 12:17pm
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Thanks for all the input!  The points about elevation, local humidity, damp box (which the Pilkingtons included instructions do not mention) are all appreciated.  I was hoping for a workable solution to my not having enough caustic salts left to make a solution in my big tank.  I'm not trying to blue anything expensive and certainly not anything that is here for decoration.  Anything like that goes to the qualified gunsmith.  Just trying to get parts and a barrel all to roughly the same (hopefully) bluish color.  Maybe someone has a partial amount of caustic salts under the bench I could purchase.  For now I will procede with the purplish brown I'm achieving.  Maybe it will catch on.  As a side note, I would far rather put a pewter tip on a Sharps forend than see if I can get these colors correct.  Reference to forend discussion earlier this winter.  Thanks for allowing this ramble.
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Re: Rust blue
Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:37pm
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I've used Laurel Mountain Forge barrel browning for rust bluing with good results. I get a nice even soft blue color. It is easy to use but you need some humidity to get rust with it. I don't use it in winter. You have to be careful with a damp box as it can get too aggressive and cause pitting.
  
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