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bullshop Full Member Offline Posts: 201 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2017	about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Jan 18^th, 2023 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Simple question that I bet someone here knows the answer to. Is the Dehass Miller and the Hoch single shot action one and the same ?


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1912 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #1 - Jan 18^th, 2023 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	No

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bullshop Full Member Offline Posts: 201 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2017	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #2 - Jan 18^th, 2023 at 4:49pm	Print Post
	Thank you


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bullshop Full Member Offline Posts: 201 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2017	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #3 - Jan 18^th, 2023 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	So is there anyone here that has any experience with the Hoch single shot action ?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #4 - Jan 18^th, 2023 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	Richard Hoch also sold action building kits. Russ Weber had built several rifles around them and I believe somehow related. It was eventually sold off and if memory serves me right Tommy Mason ended up with it?

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bullshop Full Member Offline Posts: 201 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2017	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #5 - Jan 18^th, 2023 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jan 18^th, 2023 at 8:26pm: I have a rifle built on the Hoch action. Probably the most accurate rifle I own. Or ever owned. So I am curious about your rifle. What is the chambering and what is the stock configuration, set up for sporting or target ? Any complaints about the action ? Anything you would change if you could ? I am really curious because I am awaiting deliver of one set up for BR. Chambering is 25 hornet and comes with a breach seating tool and mold.


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #6 - Jan 19^th, 2023 at 10:30am	Print Post
	iirc, Steve Meacham built these in the early 1980's prior to switching to the HiWall actioned rifles. I have one in the 40-3.25" caliber. Rich


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #7 - Jan 19^th, 2023 at 11:00am	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jan 18^th, 2023 at 8:52pm: Richard Hoch also sold action building kits. It was eventually sold off and if memory serves me right Tommy Mason ended up with it? Eight or nine years ago Tommy had all the tooling to produce Hoch actions for sale at the ISSA Int'l match in Raton. I don't recall that there was a buyer then.


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sslocknut Participating Member Offline Posts: 25 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 11^th, 2012	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #8 - Jan 19^th, 2023 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	Bullshop you have a pm.


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1079 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #9 - Jan 19^th, 2023 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	Back around 1990, the San Diego group bought 8 Hoch actions. I built mine as an offhand rifle but it will still win BR matches if I do my part. Douglas barrel in 32-40. It has to be the most simple action around.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7249 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #10 - Jul 10^th, 2023 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	I can add a little to this, regarding Hoch's. I bought my "kit" in the summer of 1986, from Fansler (sp) and it's #139. Hoch had already sold the rights to it by then. It was suppose to be ready to install a barrel and shoot, with "minor" work. He offered engraving for free, if you ordered it, pre payed, at that time. I believe the lead time was suppose to be 30 days but, it took about 5 months to get it, after I had payed for it. It had extremely light engraving, when I got it. It was in general, a mess. I'm a machinist and it took at least 8 working hours, to straighten it out. I had to match the breech block to the threads and rework the most of the trigger and striker, to get it to work well. But, after it was done, It worked fantastically!! I shot it for 10 years, only cleaning the trigger once. Miller triggers need intensive care, especially now a days. I built it as a 32/35 Stevens, with a Douglas, .308 barrel in 14 twist. It's best competition outing was ~1993, when I was second to Tommy Masons, Miller, with RKS barrel, by wide shot and also second in the 200 yard 5 shot group. I hurt my shoulder after that with a 45/70 but, after I started again in 2010, I later bought a .3085 groove 13 twist RKS heavy barrel on it and a new Schuetzen butt stock, I had made locally, with as much drop as I could get, with the butt stock bolt location and a full floating for forearm, chambered it in full length 357 Max case, necked to 30 cal.

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4030 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #11 - Jul 10^th, 2023 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	I have owned a Meachum Hoch action and a Miller deHaas as well. Alberta Schuetzen Guild members had 4 Hoch actions. The Hoch is a very simple striker action with fast lock time, but the trigger could not be adjusted for fine trigger pulls except those that had the Canjar trigger installed. They had an adjustment for the sear angle but not for adjusting trigger pull. The machining was not as refined as a Miller deHaas and the lever would frequently be wobbly and sloppy but would lock up tight when closed. Most of the Hochs were chambered in both .32 Miller Short or .32 RKS for the Schuetzen game. Hochs were much cheaper to build and purchase due to their simple design and simpler machining requirements. Originally Tommy Mason would case harden Hoch actions and stock Hoch receivers. Tommy designed improvements and a modification for a good set trigger for the Hoch action and purchased the rights to manufacture them. However his improvements could not receive a patent because of infringements on other patents. So Tommy disposed of much of the equipment to manufacture Hochs since he had intended to develop an excellent rimfire receiver to enable the development of Schuetzen shooters but could not due to existing patents. 200 yard target shot with irons on .32 RKS gain twist barrel finishing at 14:1 twist with 205 grain Paul Jones Spitzer Hoch. Yes they shoot well with a good barrel. My sear angle was modified to get a 9 oz. trigger pull.
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Oldtimer Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: Florida Joined: Nov 1^st, 2017	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #12 - Aug 8^th, 2023 at 8:51am	Print Post
	I have a brand new-- Miller Dehass rifle for sale if interested Built by Kyle Miller 32 Miller short with Ron Long gain twist barrel. amejac4862@hotmail.com 440-339-3220 Also have a couple of Peregrines Actions with wood -Model 33 for sale


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Myers Senior Forum Member Online Posts: 376 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #13 - Aug 8^th, 2023 at 9:55am	Print Post
	Oldtimer wrote on Aug 8^th, 2023 at 8:51am: I have a brand new-- Miller Dehass rifle for sale if interested Built by Kyle Miller 32 Miller short with Ron Long gain twist barrel. amejac4862@hotmail.com 440-339-3220 Also have a couple of Peregrines Actions with wood -Model 33 for sale I will take the Peregrine actions/wood


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1845 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: about Dehass Miller and Hoch single shot action. Reply #14 - Aug 8^th, 2023 at 10:00am	Print Post
	Pm sent on miller


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