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Perspective on bullet sorting
May 4th, 2022 at 8:28am
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I've been prepping (last minute, frantically) for our first match of the season this week - mainly the chore of preparing sufficient quantities of bullets. Funny how "This pile of bullets ought to last me two years" is a statement I make every six months.

I know by now what weight to expect from my "go-to" favorite moulds with my 1:30 alloy (carefully created with an accurate digital scale). I weight sort in .1 grain increments and pan lube the bullets that fall closest to the nominal weight, which is thankfully the majority. My "premo" bullets are strictly those which weigh exactly the nominal weight with a tolerance of minus .1 grain. Secondary bullets are those that vary no more than .3 grain from nominal, and still segregated in groups that display no more than .1 grain variance among them. All the rest that stray outside those parameters either get saved for fouling shots or go back in the pot. (Additionally, visual inspection for physical observable defects takes place.)

Am I all wet? Being too obsessive? Should I expand my acceptable tolerances within groupings, to include more bullets - say .2 or .3 grain variation instead of just .1 grain? I'm curious how others approach this and what their real-world experiences are in this regard. Thanks!
  
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Reply #1 - May 4th, 2022 at 8:57am
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I stopped sorting and weighing bullets a long time ago and started going to more matches instead. The more matches I go to the better my chances of winning one.  

Does that sound logical?  Undecided
  

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that's correct  if you don't go you can't win   art
  
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By all accounts Westerner is smiled upon by the Gods (Pope, Shoyen, Petersen, and his late lamented blind squirrel who ran into one too many trees), every time he pulls a trigger. Roll Eyes
  
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I don't think one could be over cautious myself. Accuracy has allot to do with one's own personal confidence in his equipment. It is also directly related to the elimination of as many variables as is possible no matter what they might be. Just importantly when a shot / points are dropped and you put the blame on possibly being a bad bullet you are also possibly not doing enough.
  

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Reminds me of the time I was shooting next to a Canadian at Tacoma. Looked over at his target to notice he was not doing all that well. I asked him whats the matter? He said he was shooting reject bullets. I said so am I. He looks at my target then looks at me and says, asshole!   

Shooting matches can be a lot of fun.  Smiley
  

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westerner wrote on May 4th, 2022 at 11:24am:
Reminds me of the time I was shooting next to a Canadian at Tacoma. Looked over at his target to notice he was not doing all that well. I asked him whats the matter? He said he was shooting reject bullets. I said so am I. He looks at my target then looks at me and says, asshole!  

Shooting matches can be a lot of fun.  Smiley


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Reply #7 - May 5th, 2022 at 10:29pm
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For those of you who have not heard the story about Boots Obermeyer:
He decided to create the  "perfect" ammunition. He did everything a reloader can possibly do to create the perfect ammo: weighed and sorted the bullets, (Jacketed High power match bullets) inside and outside reamed the cases, cleaned and swaged the primer pockets, etc. etc. etc. He goes to the next match and shoots a tremendous score, WAY over his average. Everyone is patting him on the back and congratulating him and asking "How did you do it?"

He says " Gather round everyone and I will show you what I did!" He then reaches into his range bag and pulls out the ammo and discovers that what he shot in the match was "reject" ammo, the "perfect" ammo was still untouched on the bag. 
Just goes to show the power of your mental attitude. Having confidence in your equipment is very important. This does NOT prove that being sloppy with your ammo is OK. 
I am still struggling with how "perfect" a cast bullet must be, or how imperfect it can be before the imperfections really impact accuracy. If I live long enough to retire I might have time to do some experimenting. Till then, I am too busy trying to cast "perfect" bullets. 
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Reply #8 - May 5th, 2022 at 10:41pm
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Not perfect but the best I can manage
  
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westerner wrote on May 4th, 2022 at 11:24am:
Reminds me of the time I was shooting next to a Canadian at Tacoma. Looked over at his target to notice he was not doing all that well. I asked him whats the matter? He said he was shooting reject bullets. I said so am I. He looks at my target then looks at me and says, asshole!  

Shooting matches can be a lot of fun.  Smiley


Sounds like Bev! 
  
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Reply #10 - May 6th, 2022 at 4:37pm
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Gnoahhh, it seems like you have paid a lot of attention to details. How much better did your rifle shoot with that soft 1 to 30 alloy than with something harder? Back in the Creedmore days factory match bullets were more like 1 to 15.
  
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Reply #11 - May 6th, 2022 at 4:47pm
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Bev who ? 
If you might be referring to  Bev Pinney from Salmo BC and a three time Cast Bullet Association National Champion in the Plain Base Bullet class. Who I was also was very fortunate to compete against in the 2006 National event and in the same class. 
I would find it hard for not only him or anyone else to be able to do so successfully while also shooting reject bullets. 
Back in 1996, 1998 and 2003.
  

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JLouis wrote on May 6th, 2022 at 4:47pm:
Bev who ? 
If you might be referring to  Bev Pinney from Salmo BC and a three time Cast Bullet Association National Champion in the Plain Base Bullet class. Who I was also was very fortunate to compete against in the 2006 National event and in the same class. 
I would find it hard for not only him or anyone else to be able to do so successfully while also shooting reject bullets. 
Back in 1996, 1998 and 2003.


Bev has that kind of a sense of humor. Him and his wife Alta are quite a hoot.
He stayed at my place when he was shooting the CBA matches I was running years back.

  
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Reply #13 - May 6th, 2022 at 5:25pm
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Cbashooter he was indeed one of the very best as far as I am concerned. 
Unfortunately when I was shooting against him at the CBA National Event back in 2006. He would never respond when I tried to have a conversation with him on multiple times.
I later found out that he had some very serious hearing loss and that he was not actually trying to ignore me / or not actually wanting to not converse with me. 
  

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Reply #14 - May 6th, 2022 at 8:30pm
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Tommy Mason and I shared the same bench in different relays at the 1996 nationals.i got to watch him shoot his .400 ten shot record in just horrible conditions.(it still stsnds)That day and group opened my eyes to schuetzen rifle accuracy. 

And yes Bev is D. E. A. F.  as hell
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