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Nov 21st, 2021 at 2:29pm
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What dia hole is good for hunting? I’ve got a target aperture and it’s just right for precision but I’m going to try to hunt with my rifle. I think that a ghost ring would be a little too big.
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2021 at 3:45pm
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It's different for every shooter, as all our eyes are in different levels of sight. Obviously most wont want a very small .040" for hunting, but how much larger depends on the shooter, and how far away the game will be.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2021 at 3:49pm
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Just drill it out one size at a time with number drills. A small lathe task, creep up on the diameter till it suits you.
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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2021 at 4:54pm
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If you have experience and success with the aperture, why not take a little extra time to get better shot placement?
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2021 at 6:37pm
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  What sight do you have?
I went back and looked more carefully at your original post; the "ghost ring" is the size you want for hunting. It may look big, but is what you want for hunting.
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Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2021 at 8:29pm
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I dug around in my “sight” toolbox drawer and what did I find? I found an aperture with a .122 dia hole ! It looks about right but I’ll also try with an aperture at all and compare. As I get older, I can’t remember much. I have been doing research on aperture sizes and all the while, I already had what I needed right under my nose.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2021 at 11:52pm
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I would agree with Jeff_Schultz. A large aperture allows you much better peripheral vision in relation to the intended target. The old Lyman advertisement for an aperture sight demonstrates this point. The eye naturally seeks the center of a circle, and the less interference or covering of the target for hunting purposes is desired.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 11:06am
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Some 60 years ago I began hunting deer with a 93 Mauser 7x57 with a Marbles receiver sight.  My dad had me shoot with the aperture in for target practice then we removed it entirely for hunting.  I still use that format today on sights that allow me to.  Your eye pretty much automatically center in the large opening and allow a much wider field of view.  Tom
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 12:15pm
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My guess is practice is not a bad idea, and big game season is winding down in many areas. From what I know of ghost ring sights, it's for close up snap shooting, hopefully shouldering an aligned rifle is instinctive.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 2:48pm
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Practice before hunting is always a good idea, but as I noted, and Bulseyetom repeated, the eye naturally seeks the center of a circle regardless of size. More precisely, as in target work, with a much smaller diameter aperture. We are talking about "hopefully" ranges appropriate for hunting with receiver sights.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2021 at 12:22pm
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I have a Lyman 57 on my Swedish Mauser. I use an aperture when sighting in at the range. For hunting i simply remove it and use as is. I guess that would be considered a ghost ring. it works well that way and has accounted for some of my longest range kills on deer. Without an aperture I can get on target faster.

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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2021 at 4:21pm
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well, now that we have collectively solved welldone's quandary, we can allow him to make up his own mind!!
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2021 at 9:14pm
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Thanks for all the input. I found an aperture with 7/32-40 threads and drilled it out to about .150 dia. That’s as far as I wanted to go. The original aperture with the tiny target hole is over 130 years old and I didn’t dare mess with it. The new aperture screwed into that antique sight perfectly. I love it when things like that work. I’m a machinist and I thought of that guy way back in his day doing the same task that I had just done. My attachment to this rifle grew a little stronger.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 12:03pm
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When in need of apertures, don't look any further than Apertures-N-More. They have every aperture known to mankind, or they'll make a custom one for you - and their prices are dirt cheap.

I don't care for "ghost rings". With my eyes they turn into "no rings", and I like at least some definition of a ring no matter how big the aperture hole. To that end I've acquired a few Merit adjustable iris apertures over the years. Depending on the model some of them open up quite wide, at the flick of a fingertip. Not cheap when you find them but what's a boy to do?
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:51pm
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I have hunted with Tang sights. I found that just removing the insert that is screwed in gives me a good rear sight as is. No drilling  of what may be a hard to get screw in insert. HTH FITZ OLD TUCK. Smiley
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 10:42am
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For my uses it's not just the aperture size, but the the mass of the threaded hole it goes into. For typical Lyman or Marbles type tang sights, when the aperture is removed the ghost ring left is so thin it almost disappears, leaving so little material that I have a tough time centering the front sight. 
But for the vast majority of high quality vernier tang sights when removing the aperture it leaves a large mass, and works much better.
Of equal importance when I use them for hunting is the type of front sight insert. I use my target type globe sights, but instead of a peep insert in front, I switch to a post insert for hunting. Trying to shoot game with a front peep insert is impossible for me.
  

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Reply #16 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 12:42pm
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My only success with aperture front sights away from bullseye venues was when shooting smallbore silhouette, and then only when the targets stood out from their backgrounds.
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 2:44pm
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I have had very good success with aperture front sights for long range shooting, whether it's targets with bullseyes, or dinger plates. When you're trying to hold a post in a 6 o'clock hold on a target that's smaller than the width of your front post at long distance, a little bit off in any direction usually results in a miss. The aperture front globe insert allows me to center the target inside the aperture much easier than the post will.
At under 500 yds. either works for me, as it's much easier for my eyes to determine if I'm centered or not.
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 3:27am
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My iron sights are all from MVA.  I just spend the extra few shekels and get the Montana Magnum disc.  IIRC, there are eleven different sizes to choose from.

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Reply #19 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 3:58pm
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The Hadley design is useful for target work, or as a tool to determine your best aperture diameter, but from my experience a large disc obliterates too much for use in hunting.
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 10:37pm
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Hunting or shooting fast targets you can’t go too big. Other day had 5 8inch plates set up for 3 shooters .Two mid 70s little experience & 14 year old who can shoot.  10 yards timed with several pistols. As many shots as they wanted to shoot stopped the watch after the last plate was hit. It’s not bullseye shooting is very much like live game.

Back to 20 yards with a Marlin Texan 30/30 carbine 1400 FPS lead bullet largest posable aperture in a Williams receiver sight, gold bead front. Hit rates much higher and way faster than the partridge sight pistols. Even old inexperienced eyes can pick the spot and hit with good open rear disk. 

Few sights faster with plenty of precession than a big Aperture . Have to go to a low power scope to improve.

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