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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #30 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 12:03am
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Larry Jennings of the CBA who held many records before his untimely passing swore by Hart barrels.I think One barrel had been set back three times and had roughly 30,000 rounds before it became unusable.
This is with very high pressure running a 200 plus grain bullet at 2100 fps in a 30g powder capacity case.
  
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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #31 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 3:49am
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Premod70 wrote on Nov 21st, 2021 at 11:04am:
Back to the OP, I think you are asking a question that has yet not introduced enough data/input due to the barrels not being on the market long enough for a quantifiable statement. My suggestion would be to question the firm on their standards and go from there. I’ve only seen one of their barrels being used at matches and that in itself gave me no reason to make a judgement of their product. Being a geezer with a long list of product failures throughout my life my views are that of a skeptic so I wish you good luck in your choice.


I don't have enough direct experience with the barrel makers or the meets to have seen for myself what works.  I too am skeptical of just about everything (my wife says I drive her a bit nuts with it) and that's why am asking about choked barrels.

So far it's been a very fascinating discussion and at this point I am not very sure which side of the debate I'm falling on.

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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #32 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 8:40am
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Equipment is listed of the top 50 shot benchrest cast bullet single shot shooters in last twenty five years. 
Note how many of them used RKS gain twist choked barrels.


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Reply #33 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 10:25am
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If an un-choked barrel can shoot perfect scores and a choked barrel can shoot perfect scores. Pick one and go for it Ron. Myself I have had great success with Douglas Barrels in the past 23+ years.
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 11:59am
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ScrapMetal wrote on Nov 22nd, 2021 at 3:49am:
....at this point I am not very sure which side of the debate I'm falling on....

Even if a choked barrel does not help, the barrel maker you chose considers it a premium. After going through all the time, expertise and expense of a scratch build, the cost of the choked feature seems insignificant. Best of luck, which ever direction you take.
  
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Reply #35 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 1:45pm
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JLouis wrote on Nov 21st, 2021 at 5:27pm:
In one of my ongoing discussions with Barry Darr. He was telling me that the interior of the Hart barrels where the best that he had ever seen. Unknown to some he was very close to several of the barrel makers at the time. He also visited their own barrel making means and methods to help to further to perfect his own.  
What is unusual outside of the CBA Heavy Class where they set several records several years back. And they still stand and over the past 23+ plus. I have not see them being used in our Schuetzen Plainbase Breech Seating Benchrest competitive sport.


Still make pretty good barrels. Several of us in CFBR shoot their 6mm 5R barrels and Jack Sutton of Harts shot a HV world record agg just this year in PA. I believe it was in the lower .1500” area.
  
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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #36 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 4:09pm
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What would happen if you started a barrel blank with an OD of say 1.625 turned the last 6" to 1.25 then drilled ,reamed and rifled then turned the remaining OD to 1.25.  Would you end with a choked barrel ?

I have also wondered if maching a barrel to part octagon . enlarge the bore in the round front section.

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Reply #37 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 6:28pm
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To be done right the choke should actually be accomplished in the barrel reaming process. But I will also not share just how that might have been done all though I do I know. 
The reaming of the barrel is actually the most important part of a good barrel. And not what one might think to do such as hand lapping it as that would only alter it.
  
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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #38 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 7:40pm
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  I know how to do it too, but I will not share my method either. Tongue
  
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Reply #39 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 7:51pm
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Never said it was my method Jeff so what it is it that you are actually trying to get at?
If you have your own process please share it!
  
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Reply #40 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 9:46pm
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JLouis wrote on Nov 22nd, 2021 at 6:28pm:
To be done right the choke should actually be accomplished in the barrel reaming process. But I will also not share just how that might have been done all though I do I know. 
The reaming of the barrel is actually the most important part of a good barrel. And not what one might think to do such as hand lapping it as that would only alter it. 

So how many choked barrels have you made that are winning matches?


It's such a secret because people are running to you to supply barrels??
  
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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #41 - Nov 22nd, 2021 at 11:01pm
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John Louis quote. Just today I believe. 

"Very nice indeed Bob and I would only add to help others to do the same. And if they have any personal goals they would like to achieve. To do everything one can to help them achieve each and every one of them."

That from that wonderfully syrupy, I'm so blessed thread.
John, help us understand, please! You must tell us how it is done. Help us understand.

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Reply #42 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 9:13am
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Yes, he just left the building the same way this thread has run it’s course.
  
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Re: Opinions on "choked" barrels?
Reply #43 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 10:04am
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I have been installing barrels for more than a few years and have heard all kinds if things from customers. One will say he has had his barrel stress relieved and the next will say his was frozen ( cryogenic). One prefers cut rifling the next wants hammer forged and lapped. Most want the best accuracy with the least amount of money spent. Some believe in gain twist and other don't. What I have started to believe, if a person thinks they have a better barrel then they tend to get better groups. It's as much a head game as it is having a quality product.
  
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Reply #44 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 10:39am
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Joe as I mentioned earlier it is how Barry Darr went about it and that I will not share.

Cbashooter I do not make barrels..
  
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