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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 514 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Comparison of Scopes Apr 18^th, 2021 at 9:46am	Print Post
	I guess the gunsmithing section is as good as any for posting this question. I have several older target scopes (Unertl, Fecker and Litschert) and have wondered how the scopes offered by Hi-Lux and MVA compare. They are modern glass so I would expect th e optics to be superior but I have always wondered about the mounts. Anyone have experience with these modern target scopes and how they compare against each other and with the older scopes? Many thanks again!


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Sure shot Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1169 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #1 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 11:50am	Print Post
	I am curious also, mainly with the Malcolm 8X USMC scope and mounts. I have heard that with the 3X and 6X shorter scopes, the mounts aren’t the best.


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Skalkaho Oldtimer Offline Posts: 863 Location: Montana Joined: Sep 29^th, 2006	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #2 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	My DZ 8X has been A great scope,have had it for about 10 years. No click adjustments A good 3" eye relief. Was about $1,000 back then. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 514 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #3 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 7:39pm	Print Post
	That's interesting. I have never heard of DZ Arms.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18055 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #4 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 9:58am	Print Post
	I've seen a few MVA scopes and their optics and mounts are very high quality. Only seen a couple Hi-Lux scopes, and the optics seemed decent, but mounts are not in the same class as MVA, DZ Arms, or any of the old Unertl, Fecker, Lyman scopes.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1304 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #5 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:25am	Print Post
	The biggest difference will be the ability to gather light. It's hard to beat a larger objective end for that. Then there is the greater magnification available in the post 1920 scopes. I think that MVA has the highest magnification in the modern replicas of 10X. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) The quality of the scope makes very little difference if the mounts are bad and adjustments are not repeatable. Better to have good mounts on a medium quality scope than medium quality mounts on a superior scope.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #6 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:37am	Print Post
	Its hard to exceed the quality of a Unertl scope but it also depends on ones intended use.

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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 514 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #7 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:44am	Print Post
	Thanks guys. You reinforced a thought I've had on Hi Lux for some time now. That is, the mounts seem to be a bit lacking in getting the job done. However, I have never handled one.


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Heidinnprudr Participating Member Offline Posts: 25 Joined: Sep 18^th, 2020	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #8 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:47am	Print Post
	Have two DZ scopes and mounts and a MVA 3300 scope that uses DZ mounts. My preference is the DZ scope, to my eye the DZ is the better glass. The only thing that could be improved upon the DZ is a choice of reticles. My first scope was the MVA.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #9 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:51am	Print Post
	Agree with Dellet and one also needs to consider the abuse of the Unerlt's and the reliable adjustments as was being used by the Snipers in Vietnam and also in the prior Wars. A true testimonial to Unertl's quality of both their optics and their adjustable mounts. And it still holds very true today for our own personal uses.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #10 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 11:01am	Print Post
	I can only speak to the MVA A5 Winchester copy they are very good and the mount are exact copys of the Winchester mounts with the exception of the pitch of the thread on the locking screws. 40 Rod


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2312 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #11 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 11:06am	Print Post
	Have a 16X Unertl and a similar 16X homemade scope. The homemade scope with modern glass is just slightly brighter, but would not fault either. Chuck


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2368 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #12 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Apr 19^th, 2021 at 11:01am: I can only speak to the MVA A5 Winchester copy they are very good and the mount are exact copys of the Winchester mounts with the exception of the pitch of the thread on the locking screws. 40 Rod I have a couple of the original A5's and just recently picked up a MVA copy of the A5, granted the originals could probably stand to be cleaned but the MVA and mounts leave nothing on the table, they are exceptional in their quality. For an aging iron sight shooter it makes me feel like I'm cheating when I use them... not that I shoot that much better.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2607 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #13 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 6:35pm	Print Post
	Heidinnprudr wrote on Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:47am: Have two DZ scopes and mounts and a MVA 3300 scope that uses DZ mounts. My preference is the DZ scope, to my eye the DZ is the better glass. The only thing that could be improved upon the DZ is a choice of reticles. My first scope was the MVA. The DZ scopes and mounts are quite nice. I definitely would prefer a finer reticle on my MVA scopes however. Chris.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2607 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Comparison of Scopes Reply #14 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Apr 19^th, 2021 at 11:01am: I can only speak to the MVA A5 Winchester copy they are very good and the mount are exact copys of the Winchester mounts with the exception of the pitch of the thread on the locking screws. 40 Rod Thanks for that info 40 Rod. When I got mine several years ago a fellow on here took serious exception to my stating that it was supposed to be a very close copy. He seemed quite upset with me and told me that they were quite different than the originals. Mine lives on a highwall that Steven Durren built for me. It suits the traditional Winchester rifles very well. Chris.


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