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Reply #15 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:38pm
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Thank you, Kootne, this modification to use bored out cases to get an old one shooting shows up here and there and always interests me- though I'll never do it. 
Another question just occurred to me. If the bored out case has some original primer pocket remaining, say in a .44 caliber or other case with a big head, how would you handle that?
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:56pm
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CalledFlyer asked,
" Another question just occurred to me. If the bored out case has some original primer pocket remaining, say in a .44 caliber or other case with a big head, how would you handle that?"

A few years back, in either Rifle or Handloader there was an article about a guy (Bill Haley I think, or maybe Bob) someplace in Texas who was soldering plugs in the primer pockets and then cutting the offset hole in those larger rimfire cases. I would probably just lathe turn some from barstock and do the offset primer pockets in the milling machine. Or use a bigger primer blank, like a .27 nailgun or part off a 9mm rimfire shot load. Or just buy the ones Dixie has sold for ever. They are machined from solid barstock.
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Reply #17 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 9:46pm
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There has also been some discussion on using .27 caliber nail gun rounds and breach seating bullets. I have tried these on a limited basis and they do work. Have some extraction issues and sometimes had to use a cleaning rod to extract the empties but they do work and accuracy at 25 yards is similiar to the Canuck ammo from the '70's which I have a prety good supply.
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:48pm
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Have also used Ramset blanks and breechseated the bullet with good results, just stay on the low power range blanks , I think the hi range are just too hot.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:07am
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Been running math to help decide what level Ramset blanks to use.  Backing into the pressure looking at resulting velocity.  I'm trying to figure a safe load for the old '94 Favorites, which are about the weakest action ever chambered for .32 Long RF.

Looks like, for the .32 Longs, #2 is about right.  Gives you just short of 900 fps with that 88 grain heeled bullet from the 399153 mould that tenmile is using.  Bolt thrust about equal to that of a Standard Velocity .22LR.   

Has anyone clocked the velocity of factory .25 Stevens loads?  

@Dellet:  What is your velocity with that load you posted?   I'm calculating about 1.1 grains Bullseye with the 65 grain Arsenal bullet, again keeping the load down to cater for my old style Favorites. 
  

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Reply #20 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 7:33am
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uscra112 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 3:25pm:
WillH wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:42pm:
Best idea; if you want to shoot, forget the .25 Stevens; reline to .22rf and be done with it. I've wasted too much money and time and still haven't fired a shot. Could have put in a $35.00 liner in a couple hrs and been shooting long ago. 



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Yeah, but any fule can do that.  Roll Eyes  No style points. No degree-of-difficulty points, either.   Cheesy


If you meant to say "fool", I agree 100%
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:54pm
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Since my Ballard started life as a .22RF I could easily line the barrel and return to that. But my Ballard was rebored at Stevens to the .25 Stevens RF and I like the history of it being done there, plus the bore is perfect. I have about 5-6 boxes of Cannuck .25RF and will likely shoot those up, but then I'm looking at options. So far the best option seems to be breech seating and using low power Ramset cases that are readily available, and wont alter the gun.
  

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Reply #22 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 2:46pm
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If you meant to say "fool", I agree 100%


I did.  "Fule" is a variant spelling, invented, (along with many others), by Nigel Molesworth, a hero of my early education, whose work needs to be revived in this highly stressed age. 

What is the O.D. of these .27 caliber Ramset charges? Do they fit the .25 Stevens chamber well enough without an adapter?  

  

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Reply #23 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 2:58pm
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uscra112,
I have a #2 Ballard that started life as a .22rf and was then redone to .25 Stevens at some point in it's life.
The .27 charges fit THIS rifle perfectly... rim D., case D., and the extractor has worked every time.
YMMV,
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Reply #24 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 3:51pm
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Thanks again, Kootne. It sounds like all who are doing this sort of stuff to get old guns shooting are having fun. 
Sometimes, the journey is better than the destination, huh?
  
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Reply #25 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 3:53pm
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uscra112 asked,
What is the O.D. of these .27 caliber Ramset charges? Do they fit the .25 Stevens chamber well enough without an adapter?   

I am measuring a Ramset #3 27 cal. The rim is .330 dia., the case is .267 dia., the rim thickness is .050 where it transitions to the case, tapering to about .040 @ the OD. OAL to the front of the star crimp is .415
It is my understanding that the Winchester .17WSM case is based off these loads with a lengthened case.

hope this helps,
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Reply #26 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 4:58pm
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Yup, that checks exactly with the .17WSM cases.   The .267 is a bit small, since the nominal .25 Stevens case is .277, but it works.  

For my part, the resurrection of these old boys' rifles is now about having something I can play with in the yard. (Currently mobility limited; a trip to the range to shoot the more powerful stuff is off the table until I get both knees fixed.)  These, being naturally subsonic with minimal muzzle blast, don't even alert the neighbors.  And I can use them instead of the .22 on my muskrat infestation.  I feel like a kid again!
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Reply #27 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 6:58pm
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.38 cases are the largest diameter that can be bored for a .22 LR case chamber. For the .44 cases soldered plugs work well allowing the chamber to be bored for proper rim placement. The nice thing about using parent cases in stead of bar stock is that in some cases you can get a really good fit of the case to the chamber with proper bullet in leade placement with a little trimming and machining rather than having to machine the whole case.
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 8:14pm
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broken_arrow wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
uscra112,
I have a #2 Ballard that started life as a .22rf and was then redone to .25 Stevens at some point in it's life.
The .27 charges fit THIS rifle perfectly... rim D., case D., and the extractor has worked every time.
YMMV,
Dave


Dave, if your Ballard started out in life as a .22RF it is a #3, not a #2. Ballard never offered the #2 in .22RF.
  

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Reply #29 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 7:31pm
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uscra112 wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:07am:
Been running math to help decide what level Ramset blanks to use.  Backing into the pressure looking at resulting velocity.  I'm trying to figure a safe load for the old '94 Favorites, which are about the weakest action ever chambered for .32 Long RF.

Looks like, for the .32 Longs, #2 is about right.  Gives you just short of 900 fps with that 88 grain heeled bullet from the 399153 mould that tenmile is using.  Bolt thrust about equal to that of a Standard Velocity .22LR.   

Has anyone clocked the velocity of factory .25 Stevens loads?  

@Dellet:  What is your velocity with that load you posted?   I'm calculating about 1.1 grains Bullseye with the 65 grain Arsenal bullet, again keeping the load down to cater for my old style Favorites. 


With 3 grains of Trail Boss, round numbers:
16" barrel Favorite
60 grn 1275 fps
65 grn 1250 fps
70 grn 1200 fps

I used load data from Quickload for a .255 (Jeffery)Rook, it's very similar in size. It was a .255" 65 grain bullet with an advertised velocity of 1200 fps. Case was 1.15" with a water capacity of 15 grains. 

Changing the case length to 1.125" with a capacity of 13.5 and using a Lyman 257420 67 grain bullet as a model.

The predicted load was based on the bullet seated .350" in a 1.125" case, was 1186 fps. Estimated pressure was 17,200 psi.

My actual 5 shot average was 1197 with an ES of 35.

Same loads in a 24" barrel picked up about 40 fps.

When I run your Bullseye load the same way it comes out to 
16" barrel
1.1 grn 700 fps, 3800 psi
2.0 grn 1120 fps 10,400 psi
2.5 grn 1290 fps 15,200 psi.

I may try and run those one night this week in the 44 1/2 to see how the numbers compare. 

Nice to have a stronger action for load tests.
  
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