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Reply #15 - Oct 24th, 2017 at 7:56pm
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Glad my Stevens-Pope 1885 Low Wall was converted from CF, as it's a side extractor, not 6 o'clock.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:42pm
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Vall,

I should have been more clear about my RF Winchesters. The extractor comes in from the side like a CF but the firing pin strike is at 6 o'clock.

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Re: Cpa rebarrel
Reply #17 - Oct 25th, 2017 at 1:42am
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Take your rifle out and take a couple or shots BUT pull the hammer back to half cock before moving the lever. It looks like your breech block is moving up before it starts down and the hammer is still against the fireing pin rubbing against the shell. Poast a pic of shells after moving hammer to half cock.
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Reply #18 - Oct 25th, 2017 at 10:16am
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JerryH wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Vall,

I should have been more clear about my RF Winchesters. The extractor comes in from the side like a CF but the firing pin strike is at 6 o'clock.

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I had a very nice Hi Wall with #4 weight barrel once Jerry. The factory extractor was at 6 o'clock, and was basically the entire lower half of the barrel's face. Always seemed like overkill for extracting .22LR too  me. Didn't remember where the firing pin struck though, as it's been gone too long.
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2017 at 11:07pm
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Went and shot a round from my Low Wall .22.
Surprised that the firing pin does indeed hit at 6:00
over the extractor..! I had only assumed ......
Oh, I think that Win installed that large extractor "as insurance"  because early 22 rimfire cases were of copper, and weaker than the later brass cases.
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Reply #20 - Oct 26th, 2017 at 4:40pm
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Been busy , but talked to Gail she said the reason for not extracting is to take a few thousands off of extractor. I did that in slow steps , got a few to extract properly, 7 thousands later now cases won't go off at all . A double hit and pin goes right through the back of the case. ( Pin hole or block is to high on chamber) Embarrassed
I think it needs a shorter link . Beyond my ability so back it went to cpa. Another 26.00 in shipping ( doubt they'll reimburse me )
Kinda seems as though this project was just thrown together.see how much more it will cost me ( maybe nothing we will see ) Undecided will keep posted

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Reply #21 - Oct 26th, 2017 at 10:58pm
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Really quite sad that you have not given CPA the opportunity to make it right with you before airing out your comaints and frustrations here prior too. Gail and Paul back up all they do and typicaly at not additional charge if they are at fault and not you. Why don't you go down that road first before claiming it will probabaly cost you more money here before you know it will in the end and shame on you! 

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Reply #22 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 9:08am
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Commenting without knowing the full details.  Stevens and CPA actions set the firing pin strike with the link. Block rocks back on opening & rises to the correct height on closing. How high it goes and possibly lowers a bit on closing is a function of the link geometry.  If re barreling you need all the parts to properly time it, Lever and all.

Agree function testing should be part of the job, if the complete block and lever assembly is not with the rifle you can’t test. I have used CPA for 24 years, only thing that was not perfect on receipt was the firing pin strike installing a rim fire barrel, promptly corrected by Paul. At the time he said I would have been better off with a complete separate lever assembly for my rim fire block due to the sensitivity of the set up. I did not send the lever when shipping the action to have a rim fire barrel and block installed .

My opinion is any shop can let a job slip unchecked, few stand behind work as good as CPA. 

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Reply #23 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 10:22am
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Years ago I had a 45-90 High Wall built by one of the premier smiths.  A beautiful job.  Upon trying to chamber a round it would not seat all the way. 1/2 inch short I believe.  Turned out the extractor was protruding into the chamber.  Some careful file work on my part solved the problem.  Stuff happens. 

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Reply #24 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 4:21pm
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Bpjack ____ does indeed happen and more times than it is never intentional. But it is also only right to let those involved have a fair opportunity to take care of the issue before openly proclaiming their lack of willingness to do just that. In some cases as you have stated it can be as easy as simply taking care of it yourself to your own satisfaction as not to provide any further inconvience to yourself. And of course at other times it may just simply have to be returned to be properly corrected. I have done some things here to help others in my group and I would only think it right for me to be given the chance to make any corrections before openly proclaming any diss-satisfaction to the world. In my case it really hurts nothing if one would do so but for a business it can be very damaging. Having done business with Paul and Gail for over 18 years now I have never found anyone more willing to go out of their way to make it right if given the chance or to just be helpful with any questions I might have.

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Reply #25 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 7:14pm
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I don't want to get into CPA or say anything disparaging concerning them. My question is more related to what is acceptable as far as mistakes, or numbers of mistakes until one decides things aren't right?
Seems like certain things done during fitting a new barrel would be checked by every gunsmith doing the work prior to sending the barrel out? Checking fit, and function, plus dropping either a primed empty case, or some device to ensure proper firing pin strike, would be standard for every gunsmith, before sending out the finished barrel.
And then there's the case of who covers the shipping  and insurance. Obviously a mistake made isn't the fault of the gun owner. And the gun owner has paid the shipping once already. So isn't the gunsmith in good faith obligated to cover shipping and insurance if there's warranty issues?
I've never personally had to send a gun back after paying a gunsmith to make repairs, or changes to my gun. So I've not encountered the issues. But I've read and heard all sorts of horror stories about guys having to ship a gun back and forth multiple times to get the same issue fixed, or giving up and having a local gunsmith fix an issue when they couldn't get it fixed by the gunsmith who made the error.
  

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Reply #26 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:11pm
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Val all very valid concerns indeed and not in trying to demean anyone or their work or their policys the old saying if you want it done right then do it yourself still holds very true. What is so unique about all of the various single shots is they are all really quite simple to work on. The only down fall is not having the proper equipment or tooling on hand. The continous ongoing knowledge always being shared here for one to do his or her own work has never been lacking on this site to do such work correctly. All one really needs to do is to just ask and than to be aware of those who they take advice from probably being the more difficult to decifer.

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Reply #27 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:55pm
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I have never owned a CPA, but I had a barrel made for a 44 1/2 and had Paul install triggers in my messed up action.  I’ve bought brass, a mould, re-de primer and parts.  No complaints or problems with any of it. I’ve shot at Etna Green and have speculated that CPAs are there in great number than any other action.  I cannot say that perfection always comes out of that shop (or any other one), but it is the epitome of courtesy and customer service.  Thank you, Gail and Paul.
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 9:46pm
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I don't have one either.  If I had more time to shoot it I would have them make a .28.  I have always been impressed by their reputation.
  

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Reply #29 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 6:44pm
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JLouis wrote on Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:11pm:
Val all very valid concerns indeed and not in trying to demean anyone or their work or their policys the old saying if you want it done right then do it yourself still holds very true. What is so unique about all of the various single shots is they are all really quite simple to work on. The only down fall is not having the proper equipment or tooling on hand. The continous ongoing knowledge always being shared here for one to do his or her own work has never been lacking on this site to do such work correctly. All one really needs to do is to just ask and than to be aware of those who they take advice from probably being the more difficult to decifer.

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All very true words John! But I think many folks are like me, and either don't have room for the equipment, or don't have the talent to use it. I have no doubt I could learn if I bought a good lathe, but getting to my late 60's makes me less apt to learn to be a skilled lathe operator, since it's not something I'd use a lot.
I am the sort that would always rather do something myself, but with too many irons in the fire already, I find it's best to delegate some things to talented individuals and stick with doing what I can, in the time and space I have now.

My real question is still what should slip out the door of any gunsmith's shop, and what are acceptable errors? Would seem to me that it's always possible for some little thing to slip out. But also seems that a final check by someone in charge should always spot the obvious mistakes.
  

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