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AAApaul Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2016	A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	Hi I can't find any info on this 45-120 Sharps rifle anywhere and thought someone here may help me. I have had this rifle for 25 plus years and everywhere I have asked about it I'm told A.M.T. has never made or imported a 1874 rifle. When I purchased it (long story) I was told the first 4 rifles made were Serial Numbers #1 - 45-70 #2 45-90 #3 45-110 and this rifle #4 45-120. In the past 25 years of searching I can find no other rifles except the one I own. Has anyone here ever seen any? Thanks!


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:30am	Print Post
	I had an AMT Sharps just like that at one time. All of them(i have seen a few others) were 45-70. I would bet it was re-chambered to 45-110. I sold mine because even with a 45-70 that butt plate was uncomfortable. 40 Rod


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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 329 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2016 at 10:26am	Print Post
	found this 1975 flyer (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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AAApaul Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2016 at 11:09am	Print Post
	Thanks everyone and I also had a email sent to me stating these rifles were also made to 7/8 scale. Now I will have to weigh & mic this rifle. Paul


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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #4 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 9:52am	Print Post
	Paul, I purchased an AMT Sharps rifle in 45/70 several years ago. It has a 30 inch 1 1/8 barrel and weighs in at an even 13 lbs. It is stocked in English Walnut and has a shot gun butt with an English style check piece. It is a pussycat to shoot off of a rest. Very nice looking and smooth operating rifle...,.Ed


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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #5 - Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	I can remember when the hardballer came out. we all thought it had to be way better than the govt model for some reason then one guy got one and had the stainless steel gall on him the blued steel colt did not seem so bad then that was back in the days when you could order direct from America to australia oh how times have changed. keep safe, bruce.

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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #6 - May 14^th, 2019 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	I know it's an old thread but was hoping to hear more from people who have one of these AMT Sharps. How did you get it, what caliber, was it a kit or sold as finished Firearm. It's another odd duck that I would like to chase down more info and maybe an example if the price is right. Thanks for any info to come.


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #7 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 2:36am	Print Post
	Hoping to hear from somebody about more info on these AMT Sharps 1874 rifles. Odd things interest me and would love to know what cost, options, was it a kit or built at factory and as always we LOVE pics! Thanks and hope to hear more about these soon.


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flint45 Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Nov 18^th, 2018	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #8 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	Don't know a lot about them but I can remember old Harry Sanford test one out at the old San Gabrial valley gun club. I remember one that looked like stainless or it could have been in the white don't know.


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #9 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 1:51am	Print Post
	Was hoping some other would speak up to get more info. on the rifle stuck way back in the corner they forgot they had. I would really love to know what's out there and maybe get lucky on getting one. I know there were a few calibers and were marked in a few different ways. Would be nice to see some more examples, please!


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #10 - Sep 16^th, 2019 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	Finding one of the AMT 1874 are like finding hens teeth! Still looking for a nice one so if you want to make room for a bigger better newer sharps let me know. Even if not post up some pics so I can enjoy looking at least.


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tombstonegunsmith Newbie Offline Posts: 1 Location: Hesperia, California Joined: Jul 12^th, 2018	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #11 - Sep 22^nd, 2019 at 11:07am	Print Post
	Well, I figure that I better jump in here and tell you all a story. I worked at AMT building Sharps rifles in Arcadia, CA from 1977 to 1978. We had 5 employees there at that time. The rifles were offered in .45 or .50 caliber in different chamberings. Dave Garman was running the place and it was he who hired me, however Harry Sanford was the owner. Dave did all of the stock work. I was machining parts on a Bridgeport mill and assembling. The rifles were selling for about $1000 at that time but I figured that they were costing more to produce than they were selling for. The barrels were round when they arrived and we had an old Springfield Armory machine that we used to make them octagon. The metal parts came in as castings, we machined them to specs and they were sent out for color case hardening. Then they came back for final assembly. I was offered a job as a gunsmith at Bain & Davis Gun Shop in San Gabriel and left AMT in late 1978.


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #12 - Sep 24^th, 2019 at 10:01pm	Print Post
	I'm interested in any thing you can give in details if you can remember, I sent you some examples. Thanks for sharing


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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #13 - Nov 16^th, 2019 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	Hawkeye, tried to upload pics of my AMT Sharps but am having problems, I will have to take some new ones! Have yopu seen this one? [urlhttps://gunslingerauctions.com/shop/semi-automatic-rifles/amt-sharps-2/][/url]


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3752 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #14 - Nov 16^th, 2019 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	Shows a 45-125 serial 76 and if you leave off the -2 you get a 50-140 serial EXP01. A plethora of AMTs. And both semi-auto - I guess you could say that with just a little more involved than releasing the trigger. Since the 45-125 only weighs 4 pounds it might kick a little.


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n.r.davis Oldtimer Offline Posts: 559 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2015	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #15 - Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 9:22am	Print Post
	Was looking on Gun Broker under Other Manufactures for Single Shot Rifles and there is a AMT Stainless Bolt Action for sale. Guess they made a bit of everything. David


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #16 - Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:10pm	Print Post
	I would love to see your AMT Sharps pics. What was your interest in that one? Sharps, Caliber, Brand or ? I'm looking for the AMT sharps info., as what calibers, markings and such. How they perform what be a plus on the info side too!


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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #17 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	Hawkeye , Sorry it took so long to get these pics. I found this one on line a Cabellas , in Minnesota, I think? AMT Sharps, 45-70, it has a 30 inch 1 1/8 straight barrel at 12 lbs 4 oz. There is no rear sight dove tail cut, I added the (cheap) tang sight so I could shoot it. I really doubt that it had ever been shot before. It shoots as accurate as my other 2 45-70's , a pedersoli RB and a custom RB, but of course I am no expert shot and only have shot this one a 200 yds.,,,If you need any more info just ask!, Ed
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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #18 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	This will work better!!! You will notice the nose cap is missing!!! Thanks to UPS!!! (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #19 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	Losing a cast-in-place pewter forend cap without, apparently, damaging the wood is a new low, even for UPS. Bill Lawrence


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #20 - Mar 11^th, 2020 at 11:35pm	Print Post
	WOW! Very nice piece you got there. i'm trying to search out info on AMT/ARCADIA firearms. For a company to survive it needs to sell enough product but it seems like there are so few I don't understand how they stayed in business for more than a few months if that. Did you try to replace your forearm cap? Would another brand/model fit or did AMT have a special size? PM sent Longknife


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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #21 - Mar 12^th, 2020 at 10:28am	Print Post
	Hawkeye, The nose cap was poured in place so I will have to pour a new cap and refinish the stock also. I was not too impressed with the wood work on this rifle. The forearm is too thick, shaped wrong and the nosecap was the wrong shape. I have since purchased a Shiloh Sharps (shown, compare the 2 fore ends)so now I know what they are supposed to look like and will be re finishing the wood work in the near future. The action seems to be as tight and functional as my Shiloh, I'm happy to find out that my AMT Sharps has a Sharon barrel....Ed


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #22 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:53pm	Print Post
	I know it's been a long while but wanted to know if anybody out there has one of these and wanting to discuss some details about them. I can also be emailed any info you are willing to share. Thanks warcraftmapeditor@gmail.com


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ScrapMetal Junior Member Offline Posts: 75 Location: Nebraska Joined: Aug 21^st, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #23 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 3:32am	Print Post
	HawkeyeII wrote on Mar 11^th, 2020 at 11:35pm: WOW! Very nice piece you got there. i'm trying to search out info on AMT/ARCADIA firearms. For a company to survive it needs to sell enough product but it seems like there are so few I don't understand how they stayed in business for more than a few months if that. Did you try to replace your forearm cap? Would another brand/model fit or did AMT have a special size? PM sent Longknife According to this old "for sale" post on iCollector.com, "AMT IN THE EARLY 70'S TRIED TO GET INTO THE SHARPS STYLE RIFLE FOR A VERY BRIEF TIME. " The quote is from this .45-125? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) and there was also a .50-140? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) FWIW -Ron "For the Horde"


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #24 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:58am	Print Post
	I'm hoping to find more info about this odd brand/model of rifles. That second link you posted makes it seem it was a prototype, which I believe it isn't from research I found so far. The calibers are interesting as well. Looking to get one of these, I already have a sharps.


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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 672 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #25 - Nov 7^th, 2021 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	Carol Watson Orange coast Auctions on November 20, 2021 has an Arcadia Sharps Serial number G.L.R.000001. 32in octagon barrel cal 45-120 Marked Sharps rifle Mfg./ Arcadia cal. Buckhorn and blade sights. Est 1800-2400. Pictures in on line catalog. Garman and Boardman had a gun shop in Arcadia in the 70s and while there Dave asked if i wanted to see the factory and we drove over and spent some time looking around.


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #26 - Nov 7^th, 2021 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	Any pictures? Nowadays that always happens but back then it was rare to do. I did see that auction, would like to know why the serial number having initials story. It looks like factory stamped, what do you think about them? Seem like these rifle were always kept on west coast area where they were located. Any inside stories about them you remember?


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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 672 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #27 - Nov 8^th, 2021 at 12:08am	Print Post
	No pictures back then. Just think a phone was on the wall with a cord attached!! Dave later told me that they were ten years early in the project. He passed a year or so ago and gunrunner auctions sold a lot of his items and what looked like leftover parts.


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #28 - Nov 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am	Print Post
	I remember seeing an AMT Sharps at a gun show in Salt Lake City circa 1976-8. As I recall it was extremely expensive (relative my being just out of the Navy and a gunsmithing student at Utah Tech.). I found it interesting but at those times everyone wanted a Hawken mountain rifle. The Movie Jeremiah Johnson came out in 1972 and that fad went on for at least 10 years. I ended up completing a couple of Green River Rifle Works kits during that time. C. Sharps/Shiloh rifles were just catching on and the prices were much lower than the AMT as I recall. No idea at this point about delivery times. I eventually got a Shiloh after a two year wait (promised at 9 months) and could never make it shoot well. Eventually discovered it had a trombone shaped bore. It was an adventure getting the barrel cut since I was back in the Army and without access to a shop. The big name custom shop that did the work over-cut the sight slot and sent the rifle back to Germany looking like I might have done the work at the craft shop on base. Eventually got a custom sight made that fit the dovetail......

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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #29 - Nov 8^th, 2021 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Yeah them phone didn't move to much! I did see a rifle Dave made that was real fancy, that was just going to be much out of my price range for sure. I heard Dave ran the shop but Harry Sanford had his finger in there somewhere. Would like to know the business details of how that was done as well. Some rifles as you see pictures above used A.M.T. in the brand so Harry was doing something, I also know Harry offered these types of rifles as unfinished "kits". I don't know how unfinished as in the legal issue with serial numbers on the receivers or not. Were they a hunk of metal that needing any real metal work or not, meaning 80% receivers loophole. The picture I seen had showed everything in pieces, wood stock unfinished, receiver I think was in the white along with the barrel being unattached (IIRC). Maybe somebody has one of these kits and can fill in the details. What about them "Green River" kits, how did they come? Serial numbers? stock finished, metal finish? More info please.


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #30 - Nov 20^th, 2021 at 11:37pm	Print Post
	Looking for more info on these 1874 AMT Sharps rifle or Sharps Rifle Arcadia, Ca. Any pics of these would be great! Come on dig into your closets and dig these old things out for a few pics.


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #31 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 5:16am	Print Post
	HawkeyeII wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 8:44pm: What about them "Green River" kits, how did they come? Serial numbers? stock finished, metal finish? More info please. The Green River Hawkens kits were really rough and priced at a premium. All the cast parts were straight from the mold with sprues. They had a name an capitalized on it. Plus they were the only ones making a rifle that really looked like and 1820-1840 Hawken plains rifle.

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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #32 - Dec 25^th, 2021 at 12:54am	Print Post
	the only decent Hawken rifles I saw in the 1980's were the John Baird/Ed Webber designed ones that Santa Fe Hawkens (Uberti) sold. I had visited with John in Big Timber when Ed built the prototype and sent it to Italy. Remember the Buckskin Report? I have all the old issues here. I visited John, and was lucky enough to buy an early one. Six months later I sold it and got one of one hundred "Jedediah Smith" commemoratives. Had that rifle about twenty years, before I went to a flinter. Still have it. Rich


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #33 - Dec 25^th, 2021 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	Have you found or seen any "AMT" marked 1874 rifles? Been looking for one or any info about them. I also like looking at any other rifles as well if you would be friendly enough to post pics. I'm diggin into AMT stuff mostly but wanting to learn anything firearm.


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #34 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 11:05pm	Print Post
	Just wanted to know if anybody has this odd duck 1874 AMT rifle. Been looking for more info and if any are for sale. Thanks for reading


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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #35 - Mar 7^th, 2022 at 9:10am	Print Post
	Hawkeye, You don't give up, do you? Have you checked on the AMT Guns Forum? Harry Sanfords son, Walter has posted there. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #36 - Mar 9^th, 2022 at 2:42am	Print Post
	Walter post there? What name does he use? I never seen him there under his name but he might be using different. I spoke with him a few times and met with him also. You can email me direct if you remember it. Still looking and hoping to find one. Not much going on there anymore, even I quit checking for months.


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Longknife Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Illinois Joined: Mar 26^th, 2016	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #37 - Mar 9^th, 2022 at 8:13am	Print Post
	PM sent...


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #38 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 2:49am	Print Post
	There has to be some AMT 1874 rifles out there somewhere. Share pics and info if possible please. Thanks


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #39 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:41pm	Print Post
	still wanting an AMT Sharps rifle, anybody want to move it out of your closet yet?


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HawkeyeII Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: May 13^th, 2019	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #40 - Nov 20^th, 2023 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	I'm looking for anybody that has an AMT 1874 rifle, info is limited about these. I would like to buy one but the are old and probably way back in the closet sitting forgotten about. Let me know Thanks


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BudHyett Full Member Offline Posts: 237 Location: Pacific Northwest, WA State Joined: Jun 25^th, 2011	Re: A.M.T. 1874 Sharps ? Reply #41 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 12:20am	Print Post
	Had one, my first Sharps. The barrel threads in the action were not square to the face of the action. The rear sight was already three minutes left windage to get a hundred-yard zero. Every 100 yards of increased range elevation required another one minute and one-half left windage. The only saving grace was the movie "Quigley Down Under" has just came out and people were crazy to buy a Sharps. The dealer took it back, refunded my money and even smiled after my story of the trouble. I've not bought any AMT firearm since.

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