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lefty1
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martini accuracy improvement or not
Aug 5th, 2013 at 3:26am
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I have been asked about the fitting and bedding of martini fore ends and came up with an answer that I feel covered all bases .. I wonder if members would like to chew the fat about the merits or otherwise of my idea .. what I have done is to make a plate which incorporates a hanger extending forward to carry the fore end ....  The lug   is held on the rifle the same as the recoil lug on a Remington 700,( between the front of the action and the  barrel shoulder ), the barrel then becomes completely free floating  so is not influenced by sling tension hand or bench contact ,or expansion by heat build up causing movement between barrel and wood ..  Rob
  
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Re: martini accuracy improvement or not
Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:30am
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Welcome to the forum. Ingenious idea, similar but different from the forearm hanger on a Ruger and others. Think some of the methods to improve the accuracy of a Ruger are to put a screw bearing on the barrel through the hanger or attach the forearm to the barrel. You may gain something, may not. Probably worth a try.
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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:53pm
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Hi, I had been asked a question about the bedding of the fore end  and contact between the front of the action and rear of the fore end in relation to accuracy of the martini which lead me to come up with that idea I also figure that it would work for any number of rifles which have the barrel ffirmly fixed to the barrel ..  Screws  which attatch the wood to the barrel to me,  means   that the shooter is in reallity holding,  resting or having other contact with the barrel my solution goes more than a little way to overcome all of that  ..Rob
  
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Re: martini accuracy improvement or not
Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 6:20pm
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A lot too depends on the relative diameter and stiffness of the barrel.   DeHasse's book on gunsmithing for the single shot and some of the discussions in his single shot action book deal with accuracy tips and tricks.  As I recall some of the early 2-piece stock single shots responded well to fore-stock that was tight and solidly bedded to the barrel with a fine gap between the rear of the forestock and the front of the action

  I must have half a dozen Martinis; some are the german schuetzen target type, and some are customized BSAs of varying types.  The euro ones have tight fore-stocks keyed to the barrel with wedges like a muzzle loader.
All of them shoot better than I can with decent loads and properly fitted bullets.  but they all have fairly robust and stiff barrels.  I think some of the BSAs (International and the Marks maybe) have a "hanger" for the forestock.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 9:56am
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Did not know the Internationals, etc. used a forearm hanger. Probably for position shooting with a sling. Certainly gives more credibility to the idea. 
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Reply #5 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:55pm
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HI, guys I hhave never seen a martini with a hanger model12' throughto the international series and I have seen and handeled more than a large truck load of them here in New Zealand   Rob
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 8:45pm
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The Mk 3 International was the one with the hanger.
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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 7:04pm
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HI Guys, I fell for that one ,should have known better just that I never worked on a mk 111 international ... shouldn't be so smart  I'll be  more factual in future  Embarrassed.Rob
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:28pm
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Rob,  Don't worry about it. If you have not screwed up on this forum, you have not posted enough. Someone will politely correct you. No harm, no foul. Still a unique idea.
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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:39am
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I have a cadet shooting a 222r. I have a hanger off the front pin that holds the innards in the frame. It's about 8" long with a bronze screw about 2/3 to the forward end just contacting a GM 1" straight barrel. Shoots better than I do. Still working up loads.     Smiley
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 7:47pm
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Apparently a number of ways that will work.  I have a Martini-Enfield 30/40AI that is mounted to a hanger attached to the action, last inch of the wood bedded to the barrel.  This one delivers under 1/2" groups consistently.  Also have a Cadet in .357Max with the forend attached by a screw to the barrel, bedded there and 1" at the rear, no contact to the action.  This one gives less than 1/2" also, altho I'm pondering some of these different ideas of how to put a hanger on it, I prefer free floating.  GW

Wanted to add that I had to put a sling mount on the barrel of the 30/40.  We used a piece of mild steel for the hanger and it slowly bends under sling tension--want to change that rig.  The Cadet has a saddle ring on the action and I use a single point sling across my chest, for me much better than a conventional shoulder sling.
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 6:57pm
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Hi Guys , I have had no luck getting pictures onto this site so that you can better see what I have done (my hanger does /will not bend ) and the barrel is fully floating .. The help button does not work help please    Rob
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 5:53pm
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If the rifle is shooting good to begin with it is best left alone. Accuracy problems more than likely are not the forearm as long as it does not touch the action. My forearms are epoxeyed to the barrel 4" from the receiver and free floated the rest of the way. Spend your time and resources finding the ammunition the gun likes.
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Reply #13 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:21am
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I have been asked about the fitting and bedding of martini fore ends and came up with an answer that I feel covered all bases .. I wonder if members would like to chew the fat about the merits or otherwise of my idea .. what I have done is to make a plate which incorporates a hanger extending forward to carry the fore end ....  The lug   is held on the rifle the same as the recoil lug on a Remington 700,( between the front of the action and the  barrel shoulder ), the barrel then becomes completely free floating  so is not influenced by sling tension hand or bench contact ,or expansion by heat build up causing movement between barrel and wood ..  Rob

  
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Reply #14 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:23am
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Hi ,I messed up again there were supposed to be pictures attatched  Rob
  
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