Hi waterman!

You cannot buy ready loaded ammo for 8.15er rifles. Nobody fabricates it, because each rifle needs other loading parameters. And each cartridge-bearing/chamber (don't know correct expression, in German it's called "Patronen-Lager", where you put the loaded cartridge into the rifle for shooting) is different to the other. Some are longer, others are shorter. My loaded cartridges have a length of 59 millimeters, others need a length of 62 millimeters. Some riflemen like ammo without plugging, some like plugging with cotton batting, others prefer small balls rolled from toilet paper, others like cut circles from felt-material. And last but not least, each barrel likes another quantity of powder, depending on the used bullet-weight.

You are interested in manufacturing ammo at home? Okay, I try to explain how we proceed. I've already told, how difficult it is in Germany to get the certificate for buying powder. First the 2-day education/training for learning all the operations with the material and the security while working with explosive substances. Then the inspection by government/police, whether you are "clean" and no danger about your past life (as murderer or bank-robber *grin*).

Then you buy all loading tools for it, or borrow it from a friend. You buy the empty "virginal" cartridge cases, for preparing them directly for your cartridge-bearing. The crank at the "bottle neck" of the cartridge must fit into the cartridge-bearing. For that you need the "cartridge sizer". If you don't know the diameter of your barrel, you have to check for it. Perhaps you need .318/.321/.323 bullets. You can buy the bullets ready fabricated in 148 grain or 170 grain. Nearly nobody melt them self, because you need a lot of equipment and more lot of time.

Then you start making the ammo, step by step. Everybody has different methods and ways of handicraft. For a normal shooting day at a price-competition you should have about 100 cartridges with you.

More later!

Biggi

Hi waterman!

What means "breech-seat" in your question-text? I didn't find a translation for this. Please explain it for me, what you mean. And what are those stop-ring-bullets? 

Nice description about you and your schuetzen-friends. *big*grin* Homeless beggars with guns... hahahaaa *lofl*


Yes, I thought so, that the US-riflemen wear always a baseball cap and also military clothing. But don't be surprised: the Bavarian riflemen wear the traditional clothing mostly only for traditional shooting. For the common small-bore cal .22 shooting in the club they wear also quite normal clothing. Other regions of Germany don't know our old-fashioned or typical Bavarian clothing, they think that we are a little bit crazy. And pistol-shooter never wear traditional clothing, they wear jeans and sweatsuit. 

Yes, so it is! We are a marginal group. But we are proud of it!


Biggi

Biggi, here's a link to the ISSA (International Single Shot Association) website photo gallery showing a rifle with the bullet and breech seater (one design of many!) in the relationship they would be in inside the barrel.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) you look carefully at the forward part of the seating tool, you can see a brass piece that actually does the pushing on the base of the bullet.  And here's another photo showing the tool in the rifle, with the handle ready to pull back, which will cause the plunger to push the bullet into the rifling.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

David

Biggi,

A picture is worth a thousand words in German or English! This is a picture of a mechanical breech-seater made by Russ Weber in Colorado, this particular model is made to fit a Winchester action. #1 you carefully push your lubed bullet base first into the “cartridge case” part of the seater. #2 you then insert the seater and bullet into the action as you would a normal cartridge. #3 then you turn the seater so that lug locks into the action. #4 you pull back on the handle so that the bullet is then inserted into the barrel just ahead of the chamber. #5 you remove the seater and insert a cartridge loaded with powder and you’re ready to shoot. 

Bob

Traditional German ringed bullet. May be the RWS bullet.

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     Joe. 

Breech-seating:  There was a different type of tool for breech seating bullets in a Martini.  Would someone please post a pic of the old Ideal bullet seater that you hit with your hand?  The breech seater in Bob's photo works with rifles like the Winchester or Sharps because they have breech blocks that rise vertically.   


Bullets:  Biggi, how do you purchase bullets for the 8.15?  Do you have a large selection? Or are there just the 2 different weights?  And who makes the bullets? Could you post pics of the currently available bullets, like the pics Joe posted of the RWS bullet? Does anyone sell the German bullets in the US?

Biggi, 

My impression is that your modern day safety rules/laws do not allow you to load your rifles in the old traditional way. 

If we people and our machines are not perfect, our goverments and law makers are very very far from perfect. 

Dont get me started!! 


              Joe.