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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 1972 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	Everything you ever wanted to know about a German Schuetzen Rifle, but were afraid to ask; (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Bob


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 3957 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #1 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 1:53am	Print Post
	First time I have seen a reversable cheek piece. See the Verstellbare Backe. Bob can you interpret the script for us.


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Mike65 Full Member Offline Posts: 197 Joined: May 4^th, 2004	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #2 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 11:42am	Print Post
	Go to Google and put in Feuerbixler and then hit translate. Mike

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trapdoor Dick Oldtimer Offline Posts: 557 Location: Newark Joined: Mar 26^th, 2009	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #3 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 11:52am	Print Post
	My high school German of 50 years ago lets me understand just enough that I really don't know what is being said....sorta. Dick

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 1972 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #4 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	Dave, My German is far from perfect, so I'm not sure; "Pictured here is a very beautiful "Büchel Original Master" made in 1939, with a special order adjustable (Tyrolean) cheek piece. This Schuetzen rifle has a five lever trigger and original color case hardening. Adjustable cheek pieces or adjustable hooks are not allowed in our current traditional schuetzen matches." Bob


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #5 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	Mine looks similar but the cheek piece is not adjustable. Fred


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #6 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 1:53am: First time I have seen a reversable cheek piece. See the Verstellbare Backe. Bob can you interpret the script for us. Well Dave I searched till I'm frazzeled out. How do I find this " Verstellbare backe " reversed cheekplate rifle. I did a search also and it gave me a ton of hits. I just plain got tired of looking. I'm thinking it's the rare over the shoulder backwards training stock. Is it a Zimmer? Joe

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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #7 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Hello from Germany! It's nice to see, how all the single shot rifle fans all over the world visits our original bavarian homepage for old german target rifles. The "verstellbare Backe" you might find in the heading (left side) "Feuerstutzen" an then in chapter "Systeme & Verschlüsse". The page "Systeme & Verschlüsse bei Feuerstutzen" opens in the center. Please scroll to the last item in the listed page. There you find the "Original Büchel Meister" with the very rare "Ajustable cheek". Good luck and greetings from Munich/Bavaria Biggi - so called "Mrs. feuerbixler"
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #8 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	Thanks Biggi. Found it, Daves "reversible" term is what had me in the dark. I dont see where its reversible but rather will utilize different shapes of cheekpletes. I have five German rifles. Four have the Swiss buttstock which I prefer. My zimmerstutzen has the Tyrolian style. Lucky for me the Zimmer fits like a glove. The " Feurbixler " site is fantastic! My German/English dictionary is never very far away. Joe.

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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #9 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	Hello Joe! Thanks for your plaudit about my homepage! We collect all know how we can get about the old german target rifles. For presenting them on my homepage. So the "old know how" from former times will not be lost. I have two Feuerstutzen with tyrolian style and two Zimmerstutzen with tyrolian style. Because (like you told) they fit like a glove in my cheek! Do you have some shooting competitions for old german target rifles in US or do you collect only these fantastic old rifles? Biggi

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2240 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #10 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Welcome to the Forum, Biggi. The ASSRA and the ISSA ( (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)) are both shooting as well as collecting organizations. The ISSA championship matches in Raton, New Mexico, have had a special 200 yard offhand match just for European Schuetzen rifles for a few years, but both organizations allow their use in any match where the caliber and sights are appropriate. David

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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #11 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 5:28pm	Print Post
	Hello David. Our circle of Stutzen-friends (approx. 250 owners of feuerstutzen or zimmerstutzen) are mostly riflemen/riflewomen. But there are also a few collectors, who have very nice old rifles - and they present them on my homepage. We have nearly every other week a free competition somewhere in Bavaria or in Austria. We have to drive a lot of kilometers/miles the weekend for being there everywhere. You might visit our photo gallery with a lot of photographs from these events! Click for heading "Termine & Veranstaltungen" and chapter "Fotogallery". Then you can see how we dressed for traditional shooting competitions. No, it is not the Munich Octoberfest... And in september we have our Bavarian Championship for old target rifles (Feuerstutzen and Zimmerstutzen) in Munich. I'm looking already forward to this great event! Biggi

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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #12 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	The Historic Arms Meeting at Bisley (10 / 11 / 12 July) has 200yd off-hand Schutzen competitions. I have a small scope sight (ISKOP, Wetzler) which is made to fit on the tapered rib of the Buchel Meister and so I can compete in Iron and Optical sight classes. I have the open field target sight which also fits on the rib, but there is no separate class for these. Fred


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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #13 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	Hello Fred. Ooooh, 200 yards are about 180 meters I think. Nice distance for shooting with an old Feuerstutzen. The longest range we have is about 150 meters (164 yards), but it is in Austria, in the mountains, and you have to shoot uphill... By the way... we only shoot off-hand! Only old riflemen older than 70 years are allowed to sit down while shooting. But not all of them do so, the most prefer off-hand shooting. And if they sit down while shooting, the are in a separate scoring-class. Do you score the circles in a historic competition or only the bull's eyes? If you score circles, how much circles has your target? And which diameter has the target and the bull's eye? Biggi

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 1972 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Schützen - Zimmerstutzen Reply #14 - Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	This is a good one; (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Bob


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