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Low-wall Schuetzens are almost as rare as Hens teeth... I have only seen two of them, one of them is owned by Gary Quinlan, and the other I had my hands on at the 2003 Las Vegas winter show. The latter was chambered for 32-40, and has a 30" No. 3 octagon barrel on it. It had a really high serial number, and was made using an undrilled & tapped Model 87 Winder Musket frame. Neither was a Takedown, and I very much doubt (at least right now) that any where made using the larger "flared-side" frame. If one does surface, the owner could easily claim it to be a "one-of-a-kind".

Bert

Thanks Bert,
I was equally ignorant since I just 'assumed' that since the tang was smaller, then it was the same size as the later model. I no longer possess any of the earlier examples and so I'm grateful to you for providing the dimensions.

This dimensional difference is the primary reason that I'm inclined to accept the premise that the Winders are slightly stronger than the early paneled receivers. Really no way to prove that without actual blow-up tests, and the only action I'm prepared to sacrifice on the altar of curiousity is a flat-side one. So.............
Regards, Joe

GOD and I love winchester walls..

..ttfn..grampa..

PS.. sometimes the green frog does to. but my illigitamit grandson back slides

Green_Frog wrote on Jan 17^th, 2007 at 10:45pm:



So, the missing metal is from the outside of the tang, and so making the wrist thinner?

Glenn

The 2nd model (flat-side) low walls have the bottom of the tang & frame cut down (up) slightly, from the outside. The tang, block, lever, trigger, tang screw and extractor are all shortened to match. The differences are not all that apparent on some of those parts but they exist nevertheless. The block from either a 1st or 3rd model (paneled) low wall, when used in a 2nd model (flat-side), will extend out of the bottom of the frame slightly. Wood from a 2nd model low wall will fit on a high wall but will be scant on both top & bottom. High wall wood will fit on a flat-side low wall but will stand proud of the metal top & bottom. Damaged high wall wood can sometimes be cut down for a low wall and thereby find a use for an otherwise unwanted piece.

The walls are like the ubiquitous small-block Chevy engine. Most everything will physically interchange & operate, but some combinations work much better than others.
HTH, Joe

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR OPINIONS ON MY LOW WALL,ESPECIALLY FROM BERT THE WINCHESTER EXPERT.
I HAVE A WIN.LOW WALL WITH AN 838XX #,ORIGINALLY IN 32-20.
IT NOW HAS ANOTHER BARREL THE SAME SPECS AS THE ORIGINAL CHAMBERED IN 30-30 WESSON.
MY QUESTION IS DO YOU THINK THIS CHAMBERING IS TOO MUCH FOR THIS VINTAGE? I WAS TOLD MANUFACTURE WAS LATE 1888.THANKS WES

Bert, 

The 30-30 Wesson is what you would have if you tapered a .357 Maximum case down to .30 caliber.  The dimensions are all but identical.

Glenn

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Thanks Glenn... strangely, I had never heard of it before this topic came up.

Wes,

Because the 30-30 Wesson is an 1880s era cartridge, if you load it to original specifications, it should not be a problem in your low-wall. I will assume that it is a relatively low-pressure cartridge, since it was chambered in the Frank Wesson single-shot rifles. Your low-wall is considerably stronger than any of the Frank Wesson rifles.

Bert