32 miller short in a miller action with a Ron Smith gain twist (ends in 11 1/2")
13gr. H-108
357 max cases cut lenght
WSR primer
cork wad down on powder
215 gr bullet 3 groove SP Bullet Mould Made by Borton & Darr 
cast 1 tin to 24 parts lead
Vel. Is 1525 fps
Now H-108 is no longer on the market, But there is a suplus powder on the market, WW820 which is h-108. Mr Darr and I have test 820  and it gives the same numbers as H-108 with the same loads

32-40, 1:15 twist 28" #4 weight Douglas Barrel
Federal 210 M Primer
13.4 Grains of AA #9
Cork wad set .200" off the powder
Hoch .322-200 Bullet  (Hoch version of the Barnett .32 B2)
Cast 32 parts Lead : 1 part Tin
1460 FPS

Caliber 28-30 Stevens, my rifle is a Winchester with a 30" tapered Stevens barrel, bore diameter is .284. I've had good luck with 10 grains of H4227, a Federal 150 primer in a Dave Casey RMC case. I'm using a Barry Darr 135 grain bullet, 5% tin alloy, without a wad. I find the accuracy to be close to 32-40 with almost no recoil.

Bob

Douglas 32-40 heavy barrel 1:16 twist
208 gr Darr spitzer, Fed 150 primers
14.5 H4227, no wad, Javalina Lube
on a Hoch action
Regards, Joe

CPA 32-40 Model 52
Douglas Premium 28" 1-15 Twist
B&D 220 Gr. Bullet-Breech Seated
Bullet Engraves 1/2 Way Through Base Band
1/16 Cork Wad Seated Behind Bullet
13.7 Grs H-108
Velocity 1434
Rem 91/2 Primers
Dell 59 C Lube-Darr Lube Pump

In the middle 70's I traded a break open 45-70 single shot for a Remington Rolling Block 11mm egyptian converted to 45-70 with a navy arms octagon barrel and stock with a curved steel butt plate from another schuetzen shooter.I had a Unertyl scope installed,made a bullet breech seater,bought a Lee electric melting pot,lee aluminum 405 bullet mold and used SR4759 & IMR 4198 powders with a dacron over powder wad.Breech set one 500gr soft lead bullet one time and fired it, still remember the discomfort vowing not to do that again.Here's a site I'm interested in for 45-70 using shotgun & pistol powders with lead bullets (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) .

in a .45-90, 105 gr of Goex Exp. a CCIBR2 primer, over primer wad of newspaper, overpowder wad of 0.06 Walter's fiber wad and 550 gr swaged Sharps long range bullet wrapped with Eaton 9# airmail paper - sized to .450" diameter.

In a .45-100 107.5 gr of Swiss 1fg, WLR primers and all else the same as above.

In .22 long rifle at any range off the bench - Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS.  Offhand, Wolf Match Extra.   

Brent

Hey Joe, 

     Oddly enough, that was the most accurate FIXED load I ever had in my recently traded Ruger.  Only difference was the bullet was a Bud Welch adaptation of the old Pope bullet without so much taper.  I'm wondering whether I ought to go back and look at it again for my breech seated loads, but with 15-20 lb of 4759 to shoot up, it may be a while! 

Froggie

25/20 SS.    

7.5 gr of IMR 4227. No wad. 112 gr Pope style tapered bullet is breech seated in the rifling ahead of the case. Fed SR match primer. 

This load is very accurate in my cast iron Ballard. It is also a very low pressure load. Safe in any sound Ballard or original low wall Winchester.         

                                                                                   Joe.

25-21 Stevens on a CPA with Shilen barrel, and a 1 in 12 twist.  Hoch pope style bullet at 105 grains.  Bullet is breach seated ahead of 8 grains of AA #9.  There is a floral wad .25 inch ahead of the powder and a cork wad to top the thing off.  Shoots very well on a calm day.

I have a Orignal AYDT 7.7x46R with a 32'' barrel
My starting load was 
21gr IMR3031
165 gr bullet 3.15
Loading dies are home made
32-40 brass cut to 46mm in length
fireformed

Old Reloading Manual
32-40 - 170gr bullet
All using a Remington 9 1/2 primer
H2400 - 13gr - 1125 fps
H2400 - 14gr - 1300 fps
IMR4227 - 14gr - 1050 fps
IMR4198 - 19gr - 1295 fps
IMR3031 - 26gr - 1545 fps
IMR4895 - 28gr - 1700 fps
IMR4064 - 23.5gr - 1525 fps
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32-40 Hodgdon Loading Data
All MAXIMUM Loading Data
196 GR. HOCH  H4227  .324"  2.555"  13.0  1367  18,000 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  H110  .324"  2.555"        12.0  1376  19,200 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        9.3  1237  19,600 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  IMR  Trail Boss  .324"  2.555"  5.0  833  12,500 CUP MINIMUM 
6.0  935  25,300 CUP  MAXIMUM  
202 GR. POPE  H4227  .324"  2.555"        14.0  1376  15,900 CUP      
202 GR. POPE  H110  .324"  2.555"        13.0  1386  17,900 CUP   
202 GR. POPE  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        9.5  1264  20,100 CUP      
204 GR. MILLER  H4227  .324"  2.555"        13.5  1367  16,300 CUP
204 GR. MILLER  H110  .324"  2.555"        13.0  1369  17,900 CUP
204 GR. MILLER  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        10.8  1310  20,100 CUP 

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Goex Loading Data:
32-40
165gr bullet - 40gr FFFg - 1450 fps
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Ideal Hand Book - 1949
32-40
Bullet - Weight - Powder - Grains - Velocity
32360 - 125gr - #2400 - 13.0gr - 1680 fps
319247 - 165 - #4759 - 9.0 - 1107
319247 - 165 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1427
319247 - 165 - #2400 - 13.6 - 1545
321232 - 170 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1400
319295 - 170 - Lightning - 21.0 - 1800
319289 - 185 - #2400 - 11.0 - 1250
319273 - 185 - #4759 - 13.0 - 1350 (unsized, barrel throated)

After reading my post. I must add a disclaimer.

DO NOT USE IN ANY Model 44 Stevens or weaker action. Use only in 44 1/2 or action of equal strenght!

I have a Stevens 44 in 32-40. The rifle is in very good condition and nice and tight when the lever is closed. I'm new to this form and shooting cast bullets in rifles. Have shot cast bullets in revolvers for over 40 years, but new to shooting them in rifles. Everything that I'm reading tells me that my Stevens 44 is not a strong action, so I'm being very carful in what I load and shoot in it. So far I have shot IMR4227 powder at 12.0 to 13.0 grains with cast bullets of 158 grain to 200 grain. The 200 grain bullets are not going through the target key holing but the hole in the target paper shows they have a heavy yaw. The best the rifle has shot so far has been with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Lyman 319247 bullet (PRIMERS USED ARE FEDERAL 210). I have also had some good groups with the SAECO 632 bullet breach seated over the 12.2 grain charge of IMR4227. My rifle has a 1 in 16 twist so I do not believe it will handle bullets that are longer than 1 inch. I would like to hear suggestions from those of you that have had experice with a rifle like mine and where I should go with my quest for accuracy with cast bullets in it. I'd like to have a accurate fixed ammo load and a good load for breach seating. Would placing a thin dental wax wad on top of the powder charge help the powder burn more uniformly? There is just so much room left in the case when a smokeless charge is used. I find that there is a lot of burnt power crumbs in the bore adn the feel of the rifle in recoild tells me that the ignition is just not the same everytime. The results over the chronograph conferm this also with a ES of up to 55 fps.  New to all of this and want to hear your suggestions. Please feel free to contact me at my email address (jads@citlink.net) as I have some interesting photos of bullets recovered. Thanks, Sendaro

40_Rod, Would like to hear your suggestions for loads in my old Stevens 44 in 32-40 Winchester. I have the following powder on hand, IMR4227, SR4759, H110, and Unique. The bullet that I have been casting and shooting is the Lyman 319247 while I wait for my new SAECO 632 mold to be delivered to me. Had some of the 632 bullets that I bought and they seemed to shoot well breach seated with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Federal 210 primer. Also have several different large rifle and pistol primers. Most of my test loads have been with the IMR4227 powder between 12.0 grains and 13.5 grains. I do find a lot of partially burnt powder in the bore. It has been suggested to me that the pressure is low and that is why the powder in leaving the partially burnt crumbs in the bore. It has been suggested to me that I should try H110 between 11 and 13 grains. What are your thoughts on this? Have recovered bullets that show the base as being dented by powder on only one half of the base. I have tried to attach a photo of this and hope that I have done it correctly. Thanks, Sendaro

"I do find a lot of partially burnt powder in the bore. It has been suggested to me that the pressure is low and that is why the powder in leaving the partially burnt crumbs in the bore."

In looking at your bullets, it looks to me that the reason you are not getting enough pressure to burn all you powder, is they are a bit to small for your groove dia. I do not see much engraving of the rifleing.
A larger dia bullet would ad more resistance and the powder would burn more efficiently.
This is just my observation, nothing says I am a expert.

Thoughts from others?

Thanks Guys. I had red flags up about using H110 or 296 in the 32-40. There would be a lot of extra room and I remember form my loading of handgun cartridges the advice that was given there many years ago about reduced loads. 
   The bullets that I'm shooting are not sized. They are dropping from the mold at .322". As it is with most all bullets from a mold they are not round to start with. Wonder it getting a .321 die for my lube & sizer would make any differance. I just keep getting so much conflicting advice about sizing cast bullets and shooting them as they come from the mold. It would appear to me that the bullets at .321 to .322" are sealing the bore. I'm getting no leading or gas cutting. There is a nice even ridge of lube around the muzzle of my rifle after shooting sevral shots. Looks like I will have to spend more time at my shooting lab this winter to get this project sorted out. That in itself is not a bad passtime in the winter months. Thanks again, Sendaro

frnkeore, The groove dia is .319. I do not size the SAECO #632 bullet. It is a tapered one. I was told to make a breach seating tool by using a cartridge case with a wood dowle inserted with approx. 1/16" sticking out and as square as I can make it. It seems to work OK with the tapered bullets, but the Lyman #319247 bullets that I'm casting and have some that I bought are not a tapered bullet and it is very very hard to breach seat them. So those I load as fixed ammo. I have been trying them different ways. One way is with the cartridge case not resized, but just reprimed, charged and the bullet seated with my fingers. I leave it long so that as I close the breach on the cartridge it seats the bullet to the lead ramps on the rifling. Sometimes this shoots great and then every once in a while one takes a flyer. The loading dies that I have are the RCBS Cowboy action shooting dies that are designed for lead bullets. The expander die is much like the die that Lyman offers. If I was to make a card wad to protect the bullet base would it fall away as the bullet exited the muzzle? I assume that the card wad would not be pushed down on the top or the powder charge. Please advise. I have Winchester / Western 7-111 large pistol primers that are a standard primer. I could try them instead of the Federal 210 primer that I have been using. I also have Remington 2 1/2 primers that I could use. Again your suggestions are a help. I have added a photo that will show my Stevens 44 in 32-40 Winchester along with some of my old 22 rimfire rifles.Thanks, Sendaro

Frank, Where do I go to have a breach seater made? I'm not sure even what they look like. Who do you suggest? I will try your suggestions. Thanks for the help. Most of this is new to me. Have been a hand loader for rifle, pistol, and shotgun for 46 years, but loading for cast bullets in a rifle is new to me. My casting was done for pistols for many years, but they shot well with about anything that I cast when shot at less then 50 yards. I'm learning about casting, loading and shooting this old Stevens 32-40. It's fun and I'm sure with the help of shooters like you and my years of loading adn shooting I will end up cracking this nut in the long run. Thanks, Sendaro

Would I be able to breach seat bullet that are not the tapered type as well as the tapered ones? I shot a breach seated bullet today that shot very well. Using a tang sight (Lyman #103)  and a Maynard globe front was able to shoot a very nice little group. I removed the Wm Malcolm 6X reproduction scope and shot the aforementioned to sight the rifle in with the new front globe. I was very happy with the results. First shot went low at 100 yards so the elevation was cranked up and shot #2 sent down the range. It came in less than 3/8" low. Cranked the elevation up two more clicks and the next three rounds cut each other in the bulls eye at 6 O'clock. Two more clicks in elevation got the point of impact up in the area of center bull, but I lost one. Called the shot out at 9 o'clock and it was there when I checked in the spotting scope. see the test target.
 

In my 32-40 Hi Wall with a 1:14 bbl, I've had good luck with 15.3 gr 4198, Fed 205 primer, with a Paul Jones "French" or a Saeco bullet.  I lube Beeswax 6parts, 2-3 parts safflower oil, 1 or 2 parts lanolin.  pan lubed  Works good for me!

25-21 Stevens
    100gr bullet,25/1,BS
    7.5grs AA-9
    Rem 71/2 SRBR

longfoot, There is a #54 Stevens, in fact it is the highest grade that Stevens made. Unless you are lucky at a gun show etc. there is no brass available for the 28/30 Stevens except the RMC. There is no brass in which to re-form 28/30 Stevens.   ledball

Quote:


Boats --
           Did you intend to say you load the 38-55 case and use small pistol primers ?  Or is that a typo which you intended to be Large Pistol primers.

C.M.M.

Wayne,
I've only shot mine BSed so, I can't help at all for fixed.

I've only shot two powders in mine, 4227 and Win 296.

My bullet is a modified 311413 that casts .313 on the bands and I took the GC of and made a .316 base band, .100 long. It's 1.050 long and weights 173 gr in 24/1 alloy.

The base band diameter and the BSing depth will be important in these rifles as, they have long throats.

IMR 4227, F150 primers, all groups at 100 yards. Darr lube, Temp 40 deg.

11.0 gr, 1165 fps, 15.5 SD, 47 ES, (to slow, bullets tipped) 1.75 five shot group.

12.0 gr, 1280 fps, 20.8 SD, 48 ES, .94 group (4 in .40)

13.0 gr, 1356 fps, 18.9 SD, 57 ES, .62 group

If you use H110 or Win 296 reduce the above charges by .5 gr and you will get similar results.

Frank

4759 will give very close velocity's at the same charges but, probably with a little less accuracy. Use std pistol primers with it, I've had my best results with Rem 2 1/2.

Frank

Thank you Sir.

JLouis

My most accurate load to date.   

32-40 BS in a Ballard with 11.5 gain twist RKS bbl and High Wall with 14 twist GM bbl.

Hoch Darr style tapered mold from CPA.@ 20-1
Home brew lube (3 parts Beeswax, 1 part Anhydrous lanolin, 1 part Camp Dry mink oil, 1/4th part LubeGard valve and assembly lube.  All by volume)

Alliant 300MP 12.4 gr
Rem 9 1/2 primers

Jack

25-21 Smokeless Loads ...
From Sharpe's book:

8.0/2400/60-gr. metal-cased/ 1527 fps/ 10.5K PSI
11.0/2400/60-gr. MC/ 2036 fps/ 18.0k PSI
13.0/2400/60-gr. MC/2370 fps/ 29.6K PSI (Max or near-max)
6.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" seating depth/953 fps/ 9.1 K PSI
10.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/1673 fps/ 18k PSI
12.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/200 fps/29.4K "Strong rifles only"
5.5/Unique/86-gr lead/0.450" SD/1525 fps

From The Breech-loading Single-shot Rifle:

5.0/Unique/Lyman 88-gr. #257464, breech-seated ahead of case/blotting paper wad in case.
8.0/2400/rest same as above.

This is not exactly a Schuetzen rifle but I thought I would throw in my two cents. 

577-450 Martini reworked to Creedmoor style. 10x MVA model A scope. 29" original barrel in excellent condition. So far I have three, five shot groups under one inch at 100 yards benched. 

Bertram 577-450 brass
Federal LR Bench Rest Primer
22.1 grains Nobel Sport Vectan A0
4 grains Polyfill
Lee .429" 500 grain 3R unsized 16-1 alloy
Paper patched with tracing paper - Bore Butter patch lube
Seated to just touch
Avg - 1267 fps
SD - 7.1 fps

There is a picture in the photos section under "Reworked Martini" Thanks, Ratseye

I tried searching for it too and it didn't come up. The post is there because I did find it. Strange. 

Here's another picture:

Art,

So far I like the scope a lot. I have two of their scopes and they are both pretty good all around. Clear and focused to the edges with a sharp crosshair. The field of view isn't bad but it is restricted somewhat. I don't remember the specification for it at the moment. I have a full length version on a Romano Spenser replica in 50-90 and it has held up well to the recoil. Their mounts hold zero and track well. I would likely buy another one if I needed something period correct.

Thanks, ratseye