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Reply #15 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 3:41pm
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Humphrey was a well known stockmaker before WWII and I think up into the 1950s, did work for Townsend Whelen.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 7:51pm
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For what it’s worth I think that’s a 1922 Springfield .22 caliber barrel.  

I would be surprised if a professional did the stock work.  




I think you just repeated what Ben said re the 1922 bbl.

Also I think the stockwork looks fairly professional and strongly resembles those few Humphrey stocks I've seen, with the exception of there being no checkering on Ben's stock. A few Humphrey stocks can be seen in Whelen's book Mister Rifleman. While maybe not quite as nice as the beautiful and enduring style of the G&H or Hoffman rifles of the same time period, the Humphrey stocks are nevertheless very attractive and well-proportioned. I'd be proud to own the rifle, Humphrey-stocked or not.

FITZ of course is correct, the action came from either a musket or a Business Rifle as shown by the receiver contours. BTW not all muskets were military contracts, I have a very early Borchardt musket with a factory letter showing shipment to a store in NYC.
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #17 - Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:14am
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It looks like another of those moral issues. Leave it alone or make something usefull out of it.

As Is it's a re-worked old action and not very well done at that. As it could be re-worked a 2nd time a truly fine long range single shot.

If I owned it and unless some collector steped up with big bucks it would go straight to a good gunsmith for a total re-build into a 45/90 long range gun

That's my opinion 

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Reply #18 - Feb 27th, 2006 at 3:14pm
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As Is it's a re-worked old action and not very well done at that. Boats



Actually I thought it was kinda well done for what it is...........

The examples of the C.C. Johnson rifles I have examined, owned and shot all had metalwork that can only be described as impeccable, and the stockwork on this particular example is much better-looking than most I've seen. Like I said, I'd be proud to own it.

Remember tastes change, and it's a fact that some of these old custom single shots, even the varmintized ones, are becoming quite desirable. BP (and single shot) rifles went out of fashion for a long time but came back with a rush about 20 yrs ago, and now it seems that it's the custom rifles' turn.
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #19 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 8:09am
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Well everybody has different taste. I owned a CC Johnson Ballard that had been converted to a smallbore prone rifle. I was going to make a Schuetzen out of it but was put off by a lot of advice to leave it alone as a collectors piece.

It was for sale for over 2 years with no takers and I finaly let it go for what I paid for it. Cheap too but thinking back I bought it under the same deal Cheap. Friend had owned it a long time and found no takers.

Value is only what someone will pay. While a Borchart Varmit with a M1922 barrel is intresting I bet it will not bring over the value of the action. But I could be wrong.

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Reply #20 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 8:22am
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Value is only what someone will pay. While a Borchart Varmit with a M1922 barrel is intresting I bet it will not bring over the value of the action. But I could be wrong.

Boats


Apparently you are.  Ben tells me it brought twice what I paid for a similar action.
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Reply #21 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 10:28am
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IMO a sale for a reasonable amount is dependent upon just exactly where it's offered.

I've offered a number of things on this board with absolutely no takers, but had great results elsewhere. For instance I recently offered Clarence the Collector's Lyman 5A scope and very rare original leather case on this forum for what I considered a reasonable price, $600. No takers, only one person expressed any interest and no offers were made.

Had absolutely NO trouble getting $700 on eBay, there was a lotta bidding competition and the buyer was very happy.

Just wish I could have afforded to buy 'em myself (Ben's rifle and Clarence's scope). Like Boats said, I guess it comes down to personal taste. I've got three Borchardts and none of them will become a long-range BP rifle. Nothing against LR BPCR, I just like other forms of shooting better.
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BTW Brent, good luck on your new Borchardt!
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 11:42am
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Thanks, Joe, I'll need it.   

Don't forget how many times I've dissed hammerless rifles as being too ugly to deserve a second life - Now I have way too much sunk into this Borchie to turn back (.38-55 btw), AND I have a .577/450 Martini on the way.  What a hypocrit.  I can hardly face the mirror in the  morning any more.   

But that lowwall you sold me is still my most accurate rifle by far and my favorite.   

Brent

PS.  $600 for a Win 5A with leather case is a total steal!  Has no one here noticed what scopes sell for these days?   
  
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True faith...
Reply #23 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 1:15pm
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Brent, nice to know you finally have discovered the True Faith - i.e. hammerless rifles.  FWIW, as regards US-made rifles, the Borchardt is my absolute favourite - pity they are so expensive, otherwise I would already own one - but there's always a Martini getting in the way...  Just put my hands on the latest Westley-richards ZAR, BTW:  Imagine a BSA cadet, but full-sized, and chambered in 577-450, military pattern.
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And also, some detail pics of the Francotte insides:
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I also shot it last weekend, and the results were promising....
  
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Reply #24 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 2:08pm
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I'm sorry Gert, I cannot say that I share your love of the things, but I do see them as "proper" rifles for the chore at hand.  So, I guy has to do what a guy has to do.  Mine is a .577/450 that looks like:
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #25 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 3:04pm
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As to sporters, here my 'flashy' one - it actually is a Swinburn, but that still is a Martini variant.  Does have an (internal) hammer though:
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I for one wouldn't like to carry this one around though - you really need a gunbearer!  But it is quite classy...
  
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Reply #26 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 3:38pm
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very nice

what calibre is that thing?
  
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Swinburn calibre
Reply #27 - Mar 1st, 2006 at 3:58am
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Brad,
This one is also in the omnipresent 577-450, of course...  Quite a popular round in SA, as it was readily available - and considered good enough for all plains game, except the thick-skinned variety.
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 1st, 2006 at 4:34am
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Brad,
This one is also in the omnipresent 577-450, of course...  Quite a popular round in SA, as it was readily available - and considered good enough for all plains game, except the thick-skinned variety.


Would that include eland?  That's my intention for my 577/450.

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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #29 - Mar 1st, 2006 at 7:40am
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Eland?  No, certainly not thick-skinned - Buffalo is thick-skinned plainsgame!  They were considered as perfectly adequate for Kudu and Wildebeest, so Eland shouldn't be any problem whatsoever...  Just ask DoubleD, he used a 577-450 to shoot a nice Kudu in SA. Dropped it with a single shot, I believe.  And Kudu is quite big indeed!
  
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