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Feb 18th, 2006 at 1:22am
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Uhhh,,, Could you say that again? In English?? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 2:52am
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Alcohol and computers don’t mix well but I took a few drinks and can now read that you have a Sharps Borchardt, in caliber .22-3000 Lovell, with a lined barrel by C.C. Johnson   stocked by William L. Humphrey of Round Hill, Virginia with an Alkanet root stained stock .   What have you got?  I’d say a headache.     
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 3:14am
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Ahhh a classic case of PWD (posting when drinking) , I wondered if it was eubonics.... Wink Wink
  
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Re: c c johnson bowchart
Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 9:01am
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There is nothing like SPELL CHECK to convince you that there is a direct correlation to eye-hand coordination and alcohol.   

Try it sometime - sit down and start typing about a page of material and open a beer!

  

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Re: c c johnson bowchart
Reply #4 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 1:44pm
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Come on guys! It ain't Ben's fault that he is from Virginia.

The questions are serious though, and Mr. MP nailed the description:

>>>> a Sharps Borchardt, in caliber .22-3000 Lovell, with a lined barrel by C.C. Johnson   stocked by William L. Humphrey of Round Hill, Virginia with an Alkanet root stained stock . <<<<

The rifle is in excellent condition. Any further information and idea of its value with dies and brass and such?

Glenn
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 2:17pm
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The value would depend on the workmanship and overall style of the rifle more than anything else.  Also did the workmen sign the rifle or is there a paper provenance with the rifle. 

Pictures?
  
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Re: c c johnson bowchart
Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 4:55pm
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Ben,  CC Johnson's shop records still exist and his grandson is on this board from time to time...maybe he can help you out with some info about when the rifle was built, what CC and whoever else did on it at the time, etc (so you could tell what was done later.)  He will need the 3 or 4 digit number you will found stamped on the lower side of the barrel (under the fore arm wood) to track it down.  Also, can you tell whether this was based on a military or a sporter receiver?  Is it paneled, and if yes, with what material?  All of these, as well as condition, will lead to an ultimate ability to ESTIMATE worth, even though the rifle is not in hand to do a more firm evaluation.

HTH, Froggie
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 5:06pm
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What we have here, going on appearance only, is a fine example of a forties or fifties varmint rifle. I, for one, would enjoy owning such a rifle. Brass is again available, but is pricy and would be a "put off" for a "normal" customer. However, that would not preclude a decent value for the rifle.

We, here, are mostly Schuetzen types, but there are many of us that also appreciate the use of a single shot for other purposes. The Sharps-Borschardt is an excellent choice for a single shot varmint rifle.

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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 6:23pm
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In picture #3, does it say "22 long rifle" or just "long rifle" on the barrel?
That is a nice looking old varmit rifle!
  
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 8:03pm
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Not much of a welcome for a new poster fellas!
Welcome Bens, and thanks for the pictures. 
As Dale53 said, it's a nice old sporter, with typical post WWII era custom work.
I agree with Dale on another point, I'd love to own it, even if it isn't a schuetzen, or original configuration!
  
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 8:47pm
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Fellas, from what I see that is a reworked military Borchardt action. The front of the reciever has a flat bottom where the sling swivel used to be.It was common when making these into varmint or sporting rifles to machine it off and make flat bottom. All the sporting or target rifles I have are rounded at the bottom. The other place is at the top front of the reciever, here again it is plain and square shaped where the sporting models had a shaped and relievd top edge that went from the front of the reciever to where the breech block face is in the reciever. Having said all this does not mean to knock this fine old rifle. Still a desirable piece. Confusion?? In the original post bens said it was in 22-3000 Now we know this was one of CC Johnsons favorite calibers is it a 22-3000 or is it a .22 long rifle? I in fact have a CC Johnson 22-3000 on a Borchardt. But on close examination realised he had sleeved right inside the original bore, I could still see rifling at the muzzle where the liner was soldered in. So, I disassembled the rifle and heated the barrel up on the kitchen stove until I saw solder weeping and  then took it down to the celler and drove the liner out. Guess what? There was still another liner in it. So, I heated it up again and drove that one out and found an almost pristene .45 caliber bore inside. It is an original Sharps barrel.
I had to sleeve the chamber area because it had been reamed out to make a head or large end for the chamber end of the barrel in 22-3000. I then restored this rifle and shot it for many years and it was and still is a really fine rifle. So bens you have fine pc of history and as froggie said the records are available. I think you can get it documented right through ASSRA. HTH and congradulations, FITZ
  

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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #11 - Feb 19th, 2006 at 12:43am
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For what it’s worth I think that’s a 1922 Springfield .22 caliber barrel.  Eric Johnson records are available but I did not know that Charles Johnson’s were.

If you want more information you will have to post how and by whom it is marked. I would be surprised if a professional did the stock work.   

  
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Reply #12 - Feb 19th, 2006 at 1:18am
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I’m obviously over my head and unable to communicate on this subject.  I’m sure that others with more experience with rifles such as yours can better help you.  ??? ??? ???
  
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #13 - Feb 19th, 2006 at 5:56am
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CC Johnson shop records are available as Herr Frog said, but not through ASSRA archives. The young Mr. Johnson (ASSRA member) visits this site on occasion but I believe infrequently. As I see him on a weekly basis (about 10 mi. away) a good bet on getting info would be to post on this forum or private message particulars  and contact info to me and I will assuredly pass it on to Jerry.   

BTW, I know these are not schuetzen but if these Johnson rifles are found to be too much of a headache, just deposit them in my garbage can and I will glady take care of them for you.
  
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Re: c c johnson bowchart - with pictures
Reply #14 - Feb 19th, 2006 at 1:12pm
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Ben - when it comes to value there are many ways of establishing it.
1. Comparitive value of similar product.
2. Cost to produce.
3. Emotional value - it was my father's only gun ....

Let me say that often (useful for purchasing guns) that the fast nickle beats the slow dime.  When someone NEEDS money the relative value grows smaller.  So too, crank in a little competition (auction) and the prices go way up!

  

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