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klw
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Lyman's 50-70 Data
Jan 31st, 2006 at 9:58am
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According to Lyman's 47th reloading handbook, they tested their #515142 bullet in a Shiloh Sharp's 50-70 rifle with a 1 in 48 inch twist. 

I have one of these moulds. As cast bullet diameter is 0.514. The bullet length is 1.051. So wouldn't the Greenhill value be: 

150*0.514*0.514/1.051 or 37.7? 

I'm aware that some would prefer a constant of 125 but for the moment let's stick to 150. 

So if the gun has a twist of 1 in 48 but the bullet needs a twist of at least 1 in 38, doesn't this mean that this bullet should, theoretically, be inaccurate in the rifle? 

Said the other way around, couldn't you compute the necessary bullet length for proper stabilization in a 1 in 48 twist as: 

bullet length = 150*diameter * diameter / 48 
= 150 * 0.514 * 0.514 /48 = 0.826 inches? 

Humor me. Maybe you don't like or believe in these calculations but I'm trying to figure out if I've got this idea straight. Maybe it is a nutty idea. Maybe it is genious. BUT I'm not trying to debate the merits of that I'm just trying to figure out if I understand this properly. 

One of many points that is confusing me is if I understand this idea correctly why would you want a 1 in 48 twist? Because doesn't that rate of twist require a short, comparatively light weight bullet for the 50-70?
  
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Re: Lyman's 50-70 Data
Reply #1 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 10:20am
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I have owned two original 50-70's and the one with the 42 inch twist shot the best-My New York State model with a 24 inch twist did not shoot well with the Lyman 515141 bullets at 
all.I think the 48 inch twist may be a misprint, most of the originals have a 42 inch twist and shoot good with the regular lyman bullet. I had to sell mine to raise money.
  
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Re: Lyman's 50-70 Data
Reply #2 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 1:51pm
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I just got done trying new smokeless loads in my 1874's from 1872 and 1873 and one keyholed at 100 yds.  After getting home I measured the bore and in was .50x land but .535 groove.  How do you match a bullet up with that?

Slightly off topic but......

Charlie
  
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Re: Lyman's 50-70 Data
Reply #3 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 6:34pm
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Charlie;
You'll just have to rely on "Good" powder ("The one true way" - black powder). The bullet will probably "bump up" with black powder without any problems. The conventional wisdom is to load the largest bullet that the chamber will allow and then rely on the black powder to solve the rest.

The bullets will need to be SOFT - 30/1 (lead/tin) or softer.

FWIW
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