I think I've just about wrung out IMR 4227 so have been thinking about trying out another one. I see some match results where some have good results with H110 & H108. Couldn't find any H108 locally so bought a pd. of H110.

 I've never tried H110 before so was wondering if someone could give me a starting point for it.

PETE

Dale53,

  (slap on the forehead) Why didn't I think of that!  Thanks!

  Seeing H4227 listed reminded me a friend recommended that and said people in his neck of the woods thought it burned slightly cleaner than the IMR. Have you compared the two?

  How about H110? Have you used any? I've always been kinda leary of it as I have the impression from others that it tends to build a carbon ring in the throat faster than the stick powders.

PETE

I have been working with the .32 Dell in the new Peregrine and have been having fun with "Carbine Ball" (WC 820). It  has the appearance of H108 (can't tell them apart) and seems to be "on the same nickel" as far as charge weight is concerned. It is an extremely fine ball powder and burns extremely clean. So far, it appears to be a good choice for the .32 Dell (which is nice since I have so much of it).

Accuracy right now seems to be better than I can shoot. Whether or not I'm able to get to the level that people like Jim Borton remains to be seen . Here's hopin'.

Since H108 is apparently no longer available, I have reccommended H110 for a friend with a 32/40 and a 28/30.

Barry, do you have any data on the 28/30 with ball powder?

Dale53

Barry,

  Your comments on current lots of IMR 4227 is interesting, altho I can't really complain about what I'm getting with my lot of it. with your comments in mind I guess I better test that new can I bought yesterday. I got caught once not testing a new lot of .22 ammo and lost a match because of it. But had always thought that smokeless powders that are sold over the counter are  blended so as to maintain a consistent lot to lot performance. Your comments???

  Also your comment on humidity possibly affecting the formation and hardness of the fouling ring is well taken in my opinion. I keep track of temp. & humidity during a shooting session, so it might be possible to find some break points that could be useful.

  Sifting powder!?!?!? Now this is something I've heard, and done, with black powder, but didn't know it was something that would benefit smokeless. Considering how fine H110 & H108 are I'm not sure how this would be done. Can you give us a rundown on what you do?

Dale53,

  Have a source for 8 lbs of H110. Might have to try that when I get the chance. 

40_Rod,

  AA#9 is in the works for a tryout as is SR 4759. I have used it in the past in an 8.15 x 46R but didn't have much success with it. Probably due to the rough bore it would foul up at the most inopportune times, so I switched to 4227, which worked better. As long as it didn't foul out I thought it gave better accuracy than 4227.

  The reason for asking about H110 was because I'd never used it and was kind of at a loss as to where to start. So, speaking of that, where do you think a good start point would be for AA#9??

PETE

Pete,

So far this shooting season I've done some fairly extensive testing using IMR4227, H-108 & H-110. Haven't tried any new lots of H4227 yet though. I hope to test AA-7; AA-9; RL-7;W296;4759 and some others as time allows and I'm testing almost everyday, weather permitting. Hope to have a good data base for comparision of powders and various bullet profiles to share. Right now, I can only comment on those powders and bullets I've tried thus far, its actually too soon for me to "drive my stake in the ground" for a more broad statement. Thus far all of my testing has been done with the 32-40 cartridge and hope to have some data on the 32 Miller also.

As for sifting powder, Jim Borton gave me some sifted H-108 for testing purposes, I beleive Charlie Dell wrote an article in SSRJ a few issues back. I was skeptical till I saw the results for myself, velocity ES's are typically single digit over a wide velocity range. While very tight ES's are not indicative of accuracy, it does show consistancy of the load in general.

Dale,
I have used ball powders in the 28-30 in the past (1980's) with some very good results, however as with my recent experience with IMR4227 I am reluctant to suggest a load or any particular powder other than to say I've used H-110 and W296 in the past with excellent accuracy. 11.0 grns H-110 was a good starting point with a 135 grn bullet and gave MV's in the low 1400fs. As with all fast burning powders increase loads gradually as these powders tend to have a very rapid pressure rise beyond a very narrow load increase.

Barry;
Thanks for the information on the 28/30. I am sure that my friend will thank you, also.

I want to start another thread directed towards you, regarding velocity (of course, I want all to join in).

Dale53

Pete 
in my cpa with a 1:15 twist using a Barnett B2 bullet that weighs 200 grains  I use 13.3 grains of AA#9. I'd start by backing off a full grain and work back up.

40 Rod