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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3910 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	A Neat Trick May 22^nd, 2004 at 9:34pm	Print Post
	I went to visit an elderly gunsmith friend today with a problem. ??? I had a receiver shell that had been squeezed (probably in a vise while removing a barrel) and needed to spread it back out. I was considering making a wedge, a tiny little jack, and several other methods, but he said to take a short (or shortened) fine thread bolt and matching nut, polish the ends and simply unscrew the nut inside the receiver opening until it was spread to the necessary width. So simple, so cheap, and it worked in about 15 minutes including sawing off the bolt and polishing everything. I hope somebody else can benefit from this tip sometime too! the Green Frog


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singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline I love singleshots! Posts: 330 Location: Fort Mill, SC Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #1 - May 22^nd, 2004 at 9:57pm	Print Post
	Well, Frogger, that IS a tiny little jack

	Willis Gregory, aka singleshot
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Long_Rifle_101 Ex Member	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #2 - Jun 4^th, 2004 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	Hello Green Frog, What was the reciever and what size bolt did you use ? Thanks Long Rifle


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3910 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #3 - Jun 4^th, 2004 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	The shell was a little smooth side low-wall receiver and I believe it was a 5/16" machine screw and nut I used. FWIW, fine thread is better than coarse, of course. HTH, the Green Frog


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ron Oldtimer Offline Posts: 576 Location: Augusta Maine Joined: Nov 15^th, 2009	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #4 - Nov 8^th, 2019 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	How much did you have to spring it back?


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3910 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #5 - Nov 10^th, 2019 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	ron wrote on Nov 8^th, 2019 at 5:15pm: How much did you have to spring it back? You did notice that this thread is 15 years old didn't you? I don't know the exact amount I had to "un-collapse" the receiver shell, but it was enough that a breech block wouldn't begin to enter it. I would guess about ten to fifteen thou, at least if not more. The point is (or should I say was) the overall effect was that the shell was pressed in enough to be unusable but was easily pushed back out with no heat and no special tooling... with very satisfactory results. Yes, that low wall receiver subsequently got used. Froggie


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #6 - Nov 10^th, 2019 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	Hey Frog that is exactly the way I fixed a Hi Wall action that I collapsed removing a Barrel. When I discovered what I had done I spoke a lot of those strange words regarding my heritage. Then thought about it for awhile. I came up with the same procedure. Took a little effort and patience but I got it where a original Breech block would slide in and fit as though it had never been messed up. As a result of this experience I also made up a set of shims for both Hi Wall and Sharps Borchardt receivers. These are the two actions I do the most work on by choice. Have not yet needed to straighten a Borchardt or another Hi Wall. Got real careful after that. All it takes is a hard look at the design of Single Shot receivers and you can see that all the strength is in Recoil front to back. Almost any Clamping over the Flat side will collapse the action into a Trapezoid shape. And by the way folks, some have posted ("Just put the Breech block into the Receiver for support") That will not always work, first the bottom of the Block is not a tight fit and the Side walls of the Block are empty at the bottom and will collapse, so now you have two pieces to fix. Solid shims are the best. I use mine in conjuction with Gage Blocks for a tight support fit from top to bottom. Also keep the Lower Tang in the receiver for just a little added support. Regards FITZ. OLD TUCK


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3910 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #7 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:44am	Print Post
	Hey Fitz, For probably one of the only times in my life I can honestly say “it wasn’t my fault!” I bought that receiver shell stripped at one of the first OGCA shows I went too... it was cheap, and I guess the seller knew what he had, but fortunately for me it was an easy save. After 15 years I can’t remember whether it was Frank Miles or Charlie Dell who turned me on to that trick, but I recently stumbled on a pair of wedges that Charlie and I made for a similar task. By comparison, the “screw jack” works a lot more easily. Froggie PS Be sure and put the last Friday and Saturday of June on your calendar for a little Southern Schuetzen. Didn’t DW move back up there? If yes, bring him along!


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RoyB Oldtimer Offline Posts: 832 Location: Dartmouth, MA Joined: Mar 28^th, 2011	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2020 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	I'm totally impressed that Green Frog has been monitoring this thread for near 16 years!......

	Roy B Dartmouth, MA (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1060 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2020 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	Once a FROG gets his teeth into something........ CHRIS


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3910 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #10 - Jan 30^th, 2020 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	Not monitoring... saw an interesting title pop up as current and thought, "Wow, there is something I need to know about." When you have Old Timer's Disease like me, everything you learn is new, even if you already knew it before! Froggie


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chipmaker Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 324 Location: san diego Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #11 - Feb 9^th, 2020 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	This trick is also a great way to prevent action damage, in the first place. One trued and polished bolt and nut, usually fits most actions. Simple to make and use. Otto


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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1202 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #12 - Mar 11^th, 2020 at 12:38am	Print Post
	I used this trick tonight on a new to me project. The breechblock was just a little snug on this HW. It didn't take much to get the breechblock moving freely. Thanks Green_Frog JerryH

	I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3910 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #13 - Mar 11^th, 2020 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Well, I guess this qualifies as an old trick! Note that the thread started about 16 years ago and both of the gunsmiths mentioned are now passed on. It was fortuitous that Ron was curious enough to ask me a question about it 6 months ago and cause the thread to resurface. Froggie


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #14 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 5:09am	Print Post
	Green_Frog wrote on Jan 30^th, 2020 at 6:34pm: Not monitoring... saw an interesting title pop up as current and thought, "Wow, there is something I need to know about." When you have Old Timer's Disease like me, everything you learn is new, even if you already knew it before! Froggie Old timer's disease, scientifically known as CRS (can't remember shit)... SS

	Halt Fest! Ziel Gut! Schiess Fleck!
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RBKenn Full Member Offline Posts: 240 Location: fallon Joined: Apr 8^th, 2011	Re: A Neat Trick Reply #15 - Aug 16^th, 2022 at 6:20am	Print Post
	and just a friendly reminder, always replace the trigger guard in a rolling block receiver PRIOR to removing the barrel.


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