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Trapdoor Springfield front sight "stud"?
Dec 8th, 2025 at 9:32am
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Off and on over the years  I have been working a Trapdoor Springfield "carbine".   It may actually be a cut down rifle. Some who have seen it seem to thinks a Bannerman parts gun.  Barrel was smooth bore and had no sights, but it did have screw hole for rear sight.  The barrel seemed to conform to carbine dimensions

I had  the barrel lined and front and rear sights installed.  I think John  Taylor did that for me. Might have been some one else but not likely.  The front sight blade is a blank and has not been cut down.

I have been meaning shoot the gun and cut the sight down for a while.   

The other day a friend and were I talking about something to do with Trapdoors and I drug out my old copy of Wolfs book Loading  Cartridges for the Original .45-70 Springfield rifle and carbine.   

I was reading Wolf's section on sights and in particular the information on the two different height sights.  Wolf says the front sight with the M1879 rear sight is approximately .10 above the front sight stud.  For the M1884  rear sight the the blade should be .14 above the stud.

Now when I started writing this,   it was to ask those here if they might know what the Trapdoor Front sight stud is?  is it just the front sight base? 

But referring to Wolf and writing this post I realized I don't know the difference between an M1879 and M1884 sight.   

Then Wolf says there are differences when the M1888 cartridges are used with the M1879 sight and differences when the M1873 rifle cartridges  are used with N1884 sights.

I was getting more confused as I typed and decided to just shoot the gun, do the math and file the sights in to center.   

And, leave this post up to increase my post count.
  

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Re: Trapdoor Springfield front sight "stud"?
Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:13pm
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My guess.. they are talking about the small cross pin in the sight base that holds the sight blade in place.
  
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Re: Trapdoor Springfield front sight "stud"?
Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2025 at 9:05pm
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I don't know about the height but an 84 front blade is thinner and a carbine blade is taller than a rifle blade.
  
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Re: Trapdoor Springfield front sight "stud"?
Reply #3 - Dec 9th, 2025 at 11:22am
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Looking at the forest and not seeing the trees---I remember a couple of my "trees" are trapdoors.

So I went out the storage room and dug them out.  Both are rifles. One is 1873 marked and the other is 1884 marked. 

The 73 has the 73/74 style sight and a blade height of .190 above the sight base.

THe 1884 has the 1884 style sight and front blade height of .100 above the sight base.

I am guessing from this that when wolf says stud he is referring to the sight base. 

I didn't measure, and probably should have, the height of the bases.
  

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Re: Trapdoor Springfield front sight "stud"?
Reply #4 - Dec 9th, 2025 at 1:58pm
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And if you ever need a higher sight blade for an 84, one from a US Krag will slip right in and pin.
  
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Re: Trapdoor Springfield front sight "stud"?
Reply #5 - yesterday at 7:13pm
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Two ways to do it, calculation and testing.

Original specifications aside, correct front sight for a Trapdoor depends on bullet, velocity, and how the gun is going to be used. I've owned and shot 4 Trapdoors, 2 Full size, one Cadet rifle and a Carbine, all original.

Most often bullet was the 405 Gr Carbine bullet or 330 gr hollow nose cast as 340 without the hollow, typically used 45/70 lever action rifles. Either Black powder loaded to Issue cartridge velocity or equivalent velocity with smokeless  powder. With a single exception all shooting at 200 yards. One Rifle was used in a match at 1000 yards with its issue front sight and Cartridges loaded to original arsenal velocity.

The other three needed front sight changes. I used 2 zip ties to make a temporary sight, opposed with the tag ends on top. Wrapped with Fly tying thread set erect with a drop of nail polish. Cut the sight down with wire cutters testing to establish correct front sight height with the rear sight elevated to a convent yardage mark. 

Then replaced the original blade with a new one made from sheet brass trimmed to duplicate height in testing.

Every rifle and load is different some more than others. Testing you can come up with a sight table that's tailored to the individual gun. Yardage marks won't read true, no matter if actuals are logged in a notebook. Except the zip tie first, it's  a standard method with muzzle loader shooters setting up a new outfit. 

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