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Oakdale
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Duplex loads
Yesterday at 4:43pm
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I’m reading the small 1951 book, “Major Ned H. Roberts And The Schuetzen Rifle”. On page 30 and 31 the use of what today might be called a duplex load is addressed. 

A small amount of BP called “a BP priming load” is first inserted and then the rest of the case filled with what was probably at the time a smokeless powder.

Is/was this called a duplex load? Is this practice used today by any of our Schuetzen match shooters? If so, what are the two powder's most frequently used?

Seems a bit intriguing. 

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Re: Duplex loads
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Not necessary with today's powders and primers.
  

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I believe that today a duplex load refers to a black powder load, I.e. a few grain (like 3 of 4227) and then your black powder load on top. Supposedly the smokeless helps ignite all of the black powder, more efficient. True or not I won’t state but I do use it and the barrel definitely stays cleaner from shot to shot.
  
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Reply #3 - yesterday at 6:43pm
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Those early primers were not hot enough for the new smokeless powders, so a small priming charge of black powder was placed next to primer to help set off the main smokeless charge.  Current duplex practice places a small charge of smokeless..usually no greater than 10% of main black piwder charge to raise pressure and give a more complete burn to the black powder charge.
  
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Re: Duplex loads
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At the recent ISSA Schuetzenfest at the NRA Whittington Center near Raton, New Mex. we held our 1st annual black powder bench rest match. It was 50 shots at 200 yards using the German ring target. Black powder, duplex and black powder substitutes were allowed. As a participant, I had intended to shoot duplex but due to several issues I ended up shooting straight black powder. But I digress . . .
Over the past years I have shot a quite a bunch of duplex loads in .32-40, .38-55 and .38-50. The priming smokeless I have used the most and have had the best accuracy with are 4759 and 4227. I've used between 3.5gr and 5.0gr depending on the cartridge. I all cases, the remainder of the case was filled with black powder, trickled into the case through a 24" drop tube with a card wad pressed onto the case mouth to hold everything in place. I have shot duplex with both breech seated and muzzle loaded with equal accuracy. Depending on the temperature and humidity, sometimes muzzle loading can be shot dirty (no bore wiping between shots) with good accuracy.
If you have seen my book The Golden Age of the American Schuetzenfest, I go into some detail about loads and results with different calibers and rifles.
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Re: Duplex loads
Reply #5 - yesterday at 6:47pm
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That was the "duplex load" that was used when the shooter only had a supply of black powder primers.  Smokeless powder at the time was relatively difficult to light off, and if you didn't have the proper "For Smokeless Powder" extra-strength primers, misfires and hangfires could result.  A small amount of black powder would easily ignite, and cause the temperature and pressure increase necessary to reliably set off the remaining smokeless charge.

Most "duplex loads," though, were a small amount of smokeless powder under the main charge of black powder.  Ignition was not a problem with any primer here, and the gases produced by the smokeless powder would blow much of the black powder fouling out of the barrel.  This kept the shooter from having to clean between shots.

But, in the general case, a "duplex load" could be any two powders.  I used to use a "duplex load" of 45 gr Pyrodex CTG topped with 5 gr of Pyrodex P.  It seemed to help the accuracy of my Garrett Sharps .45-70 carbine noticeably.
  
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Reply #6 - yesterday at 6:56pm
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In my .25-25 Stevens Ballard, I only use black due to it''s cast action. I tried duplexing..PB left bore looking like a smokeless load was fired., tried IMR 4227 & 4759.  Still required 1 barely damp patch thru for match accuracy...same accuracy for straight Swiss 3fg...so I thought why bother.
  
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