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Reply #15 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 10:44pm
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Here is the part I would like to improve on. One problem with the dipping, in addition to damaging the wood, is the cost of filling a  ten pound pot of tin. Not sure ten pounds would be enough. 

I tried making a fine wire of tin and using a soldering iron to fill in the holes but could not get the iron hot enough to soften the nosecap enough to get a weld. 
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Reply #16 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 11:04pm
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Having a problem posting the photo, will try again. 
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Reply #17 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 9:21am
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A low temp solder and soldering gun or iron wont melt the forearm tip, but it will melt the solder to fill the voids. I'd ask Bobw what solder he's referring to and try soldering the voids instead of removing the whole tip.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 10:27am
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Joe,
I've done a few of these and like you, a couple didn't fill out very well.  I tried a soldering iron fix with only marginal success, really small diameter solder and a lot of patience.  If it was a wrinkle or void and not right next to the wood, I had good luck using a small oxy-acet. jewelers torch similar to the following link.   
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There's a few variations of these torches out there, some with disposable fuel sources, but if you already have an oxy/act setup it can replace your current hose/torch setup. The #2 torch has a .006" orfice and with some practice, touch-up detail can be quite fine.   
In a different career I use to repair babbit bearings on large motors and turbines, a torch setup like this was used for "puddling" instead of re-pouring or spinning them.

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Reply #19 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 11:59am
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Pretty much what Greg (gt) said.  I’ve had limited success filling voids.  My first gun I did, something like 25 years ago, had a couple voids. I got them fixed but it took some work.   

Now day, and every pour after that first one, I over size the form.  Which, if the pewter is at the correct temperature, will fill out and not leave imperfection once it is worked down to the final shape.

Here are a series of pictures showing the over sized mould and finished project.
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Reply #20 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 12:19pm
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Back to your cap, it does look good but maybe you aren’t showing the problem area in you pictures.  

Without seeing them, I would recommend reshaping the tip if possible, getting under the bad area(s).  I understand this may not be possible but thought I’d suggest it.

Can you move some of the metal into the bad spot and reshape? 

Would it be possible to file out the bad area leaving shoulders on each side.  Then undercut the sides and base area, like an engraver would do in setting gold in steel.  Build a dam around the area and pour new pewter in the void.  

Lastly, unless it’s really bad, I would leave well enough alone.  You might cause more damage than you would like.  

But, if you are determined to fix it by removing it all, then you could possibly rasp off the larger area and carve out the decorative finial, just like you did with the wood.  

I’ve never tried removing poured pewter so good luck. If you do and get it off, let us know how it goes.
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Reply #21 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 12:47pm
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marlinguy wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 7:31pm:
Joe_S wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 6:41pm:
That nosecap looks great!
My first attempt was OK but had several flaws. Not sure how to re-do it. I was thinking of melting a pot of tin, sticking the end of the stock in the pot till the tin melted off the wood, making some corrections to the inletting and re-pouring. Any suggestions?


Tin melts slightly lower temp than pewter, but I'd wonder if the 470 degrees of pewter melting point might not singe the wood? 


RotoMetals has low melt (235) pewter.

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Or, would Cerrosafe work?
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 1:21pm
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Here(I hope) is a photo of the  area that I want to fix. 
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Reply #23 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 5:53pm
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Joe_S wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 1:21pm:
Here(I hope) is a photo of the  area that I want to fix. 
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Not at all what I thought you had for issues.  I see the wood is finished so I would assume there is finish on the pewter.  I’ve never poured on top of an original pour so I’m not sure what it would look like, but in this case I would probably try it before removing all the pewter.  Really nothing to lose.   

Remove the bad section completely.  The new pewter would need something to lock into so you would need to under cut the old, cut slots in the old or drill holes in the wood and old pewter.  May need to use all these methods, but it needs to be locked in so it stays in place.    If you are luck the new would slightly melt the original and bond, but by locking it in properly it would stay securely in place.  Then build a clay dam and repour this area.    Work it down, polish and refinish the wood that will probably be damaged.

Your working a realm I have not played in so these are just my thoughts.  Good luck.

Maybe Greg, or others that have poured these, have other thought and will chime.
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Reply #24 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 6:16pm
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Drilling small holes and inserting some wire or tiny nails in the holes before pouring the repair might also help lock in the poured replacement.
When I poured my faux horn tip for a Ballard I drilled holes into the forearm first and epoxied a few nails into the wood before pouring. So far it's solid, and I think will sty that way.
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 6:25pm
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I have cut a small groove in a block of wood, then pour in your pewter to make strip, like making a piece of solder wire. Then use your soldering gun or iron. Make sure tip is clean, melt small puddles over the bad area and build it up, then file it down.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 11:56pm
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I tried making a thin wire of tin and building it up and filing it down, but I could not get the soldering iron hot enough to melt the nosecap enough to get a weld. I think I left the stock on the barrel at the time, to provide support probably. Now I am thinking the barrel may have acted as a heat sink. I will remove the stock and give it another try. I also considered a silver colored epoxy but I doubt the color would match. 
I can live with it as is, but I might also finish a piece of black walnut and dip it in a small pot of tin to see how much damage, if any, is done, as a test. 

I have done several others since then that came out pretty good, but this one had the disadvantage of having a lot less wood to work with due to the narrow width of the forend and the hole for the wiping rod. However, it hasnt come loose and its been at least 20 years since I poured it. 

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Reply #27 - Sep 3rd, 2025 at 5:02pm
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I tested the melted pewter temp by dipping a toothpick in it for a couple of seconds. When it got to the point that the toothpick didn't singe, I did the pour. I didn't have any burnt wood.
What low-temp solders have you used? I would assume that you need to flux the repair site.
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Re: First Attempt at Pouring a Pewter Nosecap
Reply #28 - Sep 3rd, 2025 at 7:07pm
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Sorry, it’s been many years since that first pour.  I think I used just common hardware solder and did get it to, somewhat work, and filled one larger pit.  I had couple other small hole that I think I moved some pewter into and reshaped the area. 

I still wonder if a better fix would be to drill or cut out the void, undercut the bottom in order to lock in the fresh pewter and refill the area.  But trying this will depend on the circumstances. 

I’m not sure about the burnt wood concern.  I was taught to use the toothpick also.  But, was told to take the pewter temp. up until it burnt the toothpick.  I’ve never had an issue with the wood burning.  The pewter cools so fast you have to be quick in pouring.  Not being hot enough is, more than likely, the reason for voids.  Not really any different than pouring lead bullets.
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