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Jul 27th, 2025 at 7:27pm
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I bought this Ballard offhand rifle at the Greeley, Co. show in May without a forearm. I got a good piece of wood from a friend that looked like a good match, but after shaping it, and sanding, I began applying finish and it turned dark with the first coat! With nothing to lose I continued applying finish coats, and it didn't get any darker, but still too dark compared to the buttstock.

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Talked with a friend who sold me the forearm blank and he suggested trying "wood bleach" which I'd never heard of. Ace Hardware had it in powdered form, so bought a bag labeled "oxalic acid" and after stripping the finish back off I mixed the bleach powder with water and scrubbed the forearm. No change I could see, so I sanded it with 1200 grit, and repeated. Seemed like no change again, so I repeated a few more times. I thought it might be lighter, so wiped it dry and held it next to the buttstock and was surprised to see it was quite a bit lighter.
I rinsed it with hot water to neutralize the bleach and set it side for a couple days in the sun to dry well. I began applying finish again, and noticed it stayed light, but the darker veining popped more and hadn't bleached, which I liked. I did 6 coats of finish and sanded with 1200 grit between coats. 
Once it cured for a week I rubbed it out and it came out a lot closer to the buttstock! The bleaching worked great to help match it up to the stock! Not a perfect match, but close enough to be fine for me.

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Reply #1 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 7:50pm
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I am a small time bee keeper. The biggest problem bee keep keepers have is mites. There are chemicals you can buy to treat for mites(kill them and stop reproduction) but they are bad stuff. And you aren’t supposed to use them when the is honey in the hive (but bad or unknowing bee keepers do it anyway). 
But here are two products you can use, one a wood bleach (oxalic acid). I use sort of a long wand with a cup on the end, put the powder in, put in the hive entrance and hook it up to a car battery and it vaporizes. In 2-3 minutes it spreads thru the hive and kills the mites that are alive at that time. Do it once a week for three weeks and most of the hive beetles are toast. 
Just don’t breathe the fumes. I use a respirator mask. So two great uses for wood bleach.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 10:39pm
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That looks pretty dang close Vall, I’ve seen some more mismatched from the factory than that one and I bet you have too. What is the tip made out of? That looks very close to an original. Well done.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 11:33pm
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rifleman wrote on Jul 27th, 2025 at 10:39pm:
That looks pretty dang close Vall, I’ve seen some more mismatched from the factory than that one and I bet you have too. What is the tip made out of? That looks very close to an original. Well done.


A trick Russ Gent told me about. He said he cuts the end of the forearm off and then builds a dam as you would to pour a pewter tip. Then he pours the tips using colored epoxy. I took it a step further by drilling two holes parallel to the bore and screwing tiny wood screws, then cut the heads off. It makes the "horn tip" stay secured in place so it's not prone to breaking. I didn't want the large round inletting that pewter tips used to hold them in as they don't look right for a Ballard.

This Ballard has the heavy frame with no step on the side, and the loop lever, both like a #10 Scheutzen Jr., but single trigger, and heavier buttstock and buttplate like a #6 scheutzen. It's sort of a mix between a #10 and a #6 and doesn't quite fall into any known model. It also once has a takedown barrel like a Schoyen as it has the hole crossways through the receiver to lock the barrel threads. It may one day get converted to a takedown two barrel set by making the current barrel removable, and a .40-50SS Schoyen barrel I own also fitted with it's takedown notch. The Schoyen is an extra heavy 30" full round barrel.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 11:46pm
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I am surprised it doesn't have set triggers. If so wished could they be added? Good job on the match. I have been trying to match a dark stock on a J Braddel and sons 10ga double shotgun I too purchased without a forearm. By the way what is up with everyone losing forearms? Called Treebone Carving and George sent me a couple darker walnut blocks to make a forearm. Got it fitted but can't find a stain dark enough to match the stock. I am afraid a second coat will be too dark. May try thinning the stain and do two coats.


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jhm wrote on Jul 27th, 2025 at 11:46pm:
I am surprised it doesn't have set triggers. If so wished could they be added? Good job on the match. I have been trying to match a dark stock on a J Braddel and sons 10ga double shotgun I too purchased without a forearm. By the way what is up with everyone losing forearms? Called Treebone Carving and George sent me a couple darker walnut blocks to make a forearm. Got it fitted but can't find a stain dark enough to match the stock. I am afraid a second coat will be too dark. May try thinning the stain and do two coats.


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Set triggers would take a fair amount of work to add to a single trigger block on a Ballard. A lot easier to simply find a DST block and swap blocks. Of course then you might need to adjust headspace as these were all hand fitted and lockup might be different. Ballard set triggers are fantastic, but their single triggers are also. A lot of competitions in the old days didn't allow set triggers, and some shooters even preferred non set triggers, so not surprising to see them without set triggers. Models like the #7 Long-Range and #4 1/2 Mid-Range were sold without set triggers as set triggers weren't allowed in the long range and mid range matches.
I've found it's easier to darken wood than to lighten it, but some wood doesn't seem to take stains well and resist much darkening. I once had an 1881 Marlin that someone had stripped the finish chemically and it came out looking very blonde! I fought it a long time with stains, and couldn't get it right. Then a fella who built muzzleloaders told me to try some chromium trioxide. I got the crystals from Dixie Gun Works and followed his directions to apply it. It turned darker instantly, and I had to rinse it quickly to stop it from going too dark! One quick application and a rinse, and it was as dark as I wanted. CT is bad stuff to get on your hands, but no issue with fumes. It turned my blue nitrile gloves a dark yellowish color even!
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2025 at 10:15am
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For oxalic acid to work best you need sunlight. Applied outside and give it thirty to sixty minutes in the sun to work. You'll see the difference. But always sneak up on the color in stages as some woods can wash out quickly if you go too far. 

I might add there is product called ' Bar Keepers Friend ' used on sinks, stainless bowls and the like. It contains oxalic acid and will bleach wood but it's not nearly as strong. 

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burntwater wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 10:15am:
For oxalic acid to work best you need sunlight. Applied outside and give it thirty to sixty minutes in the sun to work. You'll see the difference. But always sneak up on the color in stages as some woods can wash out quickly if you go too far. 

I might add there is product called ' Bar Keepers Friend ' used on sinks, stainless bowls and the like. It contains oxalic acid and will bleach wood but it's not nearly as strong. 

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Thanks! I wish I'd had this information as the directions stated to only leave it on 5 minutes and then rinse and reapply. I was in bright sunshine, but obviously rinsing it off too soon, so it took repeated scrubbing with the bleach to lighten it.
If there's a next time I'll try the longer wait time. I've sure got a lifetime supply of this powder with my one bag purchase!
  

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Oxalic acid is also a excellent, fairly genital, rust remover. You can leave parts in it for days and it won't hurt steel or cast iron.
  

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Frank,
I would be extremely careful when leaving your parts in a genital rust remover. 

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marlinguy wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 11:04am:
burntwater wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 10:15am:
For oxalic acid to work best you need sunlight. Applied outside and give it thirty to sixty minutes in the sun to work. You'll see the difference. But always sneak up on the color in stages as some woods can wash out quickly if you go too far. 

I might add there is product called ' Bar Keepers Friend ' used on sinks, stainless bowls and the like. It contains oxalic acid and will bleach wood but it's not nearly as strong. 

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Thanks! I wish I'd had this information as the directions stated to only leave it on 5 minutes and then rinse and reapply. I was in bright sunshine, but obviously rinsing it off too soon, so it took repeated scrubbing with the bleach to lighten it.
If there's a next time I'll try the longer wait time. I've sure got a lifetime supply of this powder with my one bag purchase!


Honestly I think you were following the smart approach. Go too far and you'll over bleach and burn the wood. Your way is to come at it incrementally which to my way of thinking is just smarter. 

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burntwater wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 1:15pm:
marlinguy wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 11:04am:
burntwater wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 10:15am:
For oxalic acid to work best you need sunlight. Applied outside and give it thirty to sixty minutes in the sun to work. You'll see the difference. But always sneak up on the color in stages as some woods can wash out quickly if you go too far. 

I might add there is product called ' Bar Keepers Friend ' used on sinks, stainless bowls and the like. It contains oxalic acid and will bleach wood but it's not nearly as strong. 

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Thanks! I wish I'd had this information as the directions stated to only leave it on 5 minutes and then rinse and reapply. I was in bright sunshine, but obviously rinsing it off too soon, so it took repeated scrubbing with the bleach to lighten it.
If there's a next time I'll try the longer wait time. I've sure got a lifetime supply of this powder with my one bag purchase!


Honestly I think you were following the smart approach. Go too far and you'll over bleach and burn the wood. Your way is to come at it incrementally which to my way of thinking is just smarter. 

Rick


Thanks Rick. But I might try a bit longer between applications to see how that works. 
I was surprised the dark veining not get any lighter, and actually pleased it didn't! It is more of a contrast and looks even darker after bleaching.
  

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frnkeore wrote on Jul 28th, 2025 at 12:43pm:
Oxalic acid is also a excellent, fairly gentle, rust remover. You can leave parts in it for days and it won't hurt steel or cast iron.


Thanks Frank! I might have a need for that sooner than another stock. It might get used up on old hotrods I work on instead!
  

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Frank,
I would be extremely careful when leaving your parts in a genital rust remover. 

Jack


I keep mine oiled up so they don't rust Jack.
  

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This thread has some good info on using wood bleach in finishing sticks:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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