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GunStock refinishing question...
Apr 6th, 2025 at 5:02pm
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After a fair amount of reading and searching on ASSRA...

I have a Uberti HiWall with checkering. The 'Hard Shell' SHINY 
look is not for me. I'd like to refinish using a oil based product for a deep hand rubbed look but don't know how to treat the checkering....

First thought was to tape off the checkering to protect it from  damage
while sanding / stripping / scraping 

Any thoughts..?

Thanks in advance

Bob

PS my only experience in this area so far is finishing the naked stock on a CPA 44 1/2 and a unfinished hi wall stock for a different Uberti.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2025 at 5:40pm
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Masking the checkering is a good idea. You don't want to sand it either just use a stiff nylon brush and elbow grease on it. Following the grooves. From what my high wall looked like and others I've seen it looks like they used a finish that has stain or tint in it.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2025 at 1:01am
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Mine is similarly stained / conditioned.
I was hoping someone who provide me with a bit of knowledge 
where I could chemically strip the finish off the checkered area
without damaging someone's fine effort.

Thanks Hawkeye


1Hawkeye wrote on Apr 6th, 2025 at 5:40pm:
Masking the checkering is a good idea. You don't want to sand it either just use a stiff nylon brush and elbow grease on it. Following the grooves. From what my high wall looked like and others I've seen it looks like they used a finish that has stain or tint in it.

  
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Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2025 at 10:31am
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Just a thought. The finish on your gun is tough and durable, and an excellent barrier against moisture penetration. In the world of wood finishes there are few more efficient. If the gaudy/shiny effect is disagreeable to you (and I don't find fault with that feeling) there is an alternative: simply rub it out (make it dull)* then bring it back to a pleasant subtle luster with a good paste wax. Gaudiness gone, wood has "depth", and most importantly retains its superlative protection.

Do indeed mask off the checkering. It's a thankless job but an important one.

If you're still not happy with it then there's nothing lost and you can go ahead with Plan A, stripping and oiling.

*rubbing out can be done a couple different ways, either with a thick slurry of rottenstone or with the ultra-fine gray 3M Scotchbrite pads or even oil-free 0000 steel wool. (Scrounge up oil-free steel wool on line, don't use the horrid stuff from the hardware store - it's infused with petroleum based oils to prevent it from rusting while it languishes on the store shelf, said oil not being friendly to subsequent finishing protocols.)
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 7th, 2025 at 10:45am
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I chemically strip the whole stock finish, and try not to sand anything more than is necessary for prepping the new finish. Some Jasco stripper and a brass bristle brush will get the finish out off the checkering, and then you can avoid it when doing a little sanding.
Once you've stripped the whole stock finish wash it with hot soapy water and rinse. Then let it dry in a warm place for 5 days before beginning any application of finish. 
When applying finish I always avoid the checkering throughout applications of finish so it wont build up in the checkering. Once you're near the end of applying finish you can put a coat or two on the checkering to seal it, and it wont be built up in the checkering. Any light sanding you do just needs to avoid sanding the checkering. I never found a need to mask it off myself, but you can if it works for you.
I use rottenstone powder as a final step on all new finishes I've done, but also have used it on older finishes that needed a facelift. I use a damp rag dipped in the rottenstone powder, but I recently was told about using mineral oil and rottenstone powder and tried it recently. I like mineral oil on a rag with rottenstone even better, so I'll go that route in the future stock work.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 7th, 2025 at 12:22pm
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Thanks to Val, Noah and Hawkeye for your suggestions...

Bob
  
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I've used hardware store steel wool for 10 years without worry since a guy told me all it needed was a bath in acetone. He was correct, as I have had no issues with it since. Speaking of acetone, the same guy used it as a go to solvent to remove bad finish on old guns. Not sure if it works on new products, but a pan of it with 3-0 or 4-0 steel wool will remove nearly all of the old varnishes without removing the patina. I've used it on at least a dozen stock sets. It also dries almost instantly. 
PS- use it only with with good ventilation.
  
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Indeed yes, an acetone wash is ok. Treat yourself to some Liberon (or equivalent) 0000 oil free sometime too - it's like butter.
  
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Using steel wool on a stock is asking for problems, Rust! I have found "brass wool" is a safer alternative. In my past experience at least.
  

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Yessiree, which is why I listed it as #3 in options. If it's for a hunting rifle I would steer clear, but for a gun that mainly gets fondled indoors and makes occasional range appearances on bluebird days it's not much of an issue.
  
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rkba2nd wrote on Apr 7th, 2025 at 7:27pm:
Using steel wool on a stock is asking for problems, Rust! I have found "brass wool" is a safer alternative. In my past experience at least.


Sanding with the receiver or steel buttplate attached, particularly in the finer grits presents the same problem.  If you fine sand the wood and metal at the same time, the steel sanding dust fills the pores of the wood.  When you wet the wood to lift the grain, the sanding dust instantly rusts and stains the wood.  You end up with a black shadow band about 4 inches wide that gets lighter as you get away from the mating edge of the stock.  It looks a lot like the black staining that occurs on old stocks from either rust or gun oil infiltration.

I prefer to do the last couple of sanding stages with the metal detached, and I blow out the pores severely with high pressure air before I wet the stock to lift the grain.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2025 at 12:41pm
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Since I use Wipe On Poly I do my final sanding as wet sanding with WOP to wet my paper. Need to get enough finish on first to build up enough that it stops saturating the wood. Then I wet sand with WOP and wipe across the grain to help fill pores as I add coats.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2025 at 12:45pm
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Val,

Isn't Poly (urethane) always a hard shell like shiny product..?

Bob

marlinguy wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 12:41pm:
Since I use Wipe On Poly I do my final sanding as wet sanding with WOP to wet my paper. Need to get enough finish on first to build up enough that it stops saturating the wood. Then I wet sand with WOP and wipe across the grain to help fill pores as I add coats.

  
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Reply #13 - Sep 29th, 2025 at 7:02pm
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This is my method and takes a bit of patience.  Once my sanding is done and I"m ready to apply the finish, I make up a mixture of 50/40/10 BLOturpentine/Japan Drier.  I then apply a generous coat to the wood allowing it to soak in well. Give it a day or so to become tacky then apply a second coat letting it sink in well for 20-30 minutes.  Wipe it down well and set it aside to dry or become tacky.  Now more turpentine/Blo/Japan Drier mixture this mixture 20/75/5.  Apply generously and allow to soak in for 1/2 hour or more.  Wipe in down to almost dry and set aside till tacky.  Next coat is more of the last. Now we're down to straight BLO and JD. As you build successive coats rubbing each coat in by hand you will see the beauty appear. 
I like this because dings and scratches are easy to fix and totally disappear.  You can see what I mean by "takes patience", but my stocks a beautiful IMHO and I have tons of time while watching TV~!  Hope this provides some value to those taking the time to read it.
  
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RJ-35-40 wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 12:45pm:
Val,

Isn't Poly (urethane) always a hard shell like shiny product..?

Bob

marlinguy wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 12:41pm:
Since I use Wipe On Poly I do my final sanding as wet sanding with WOP to wet my paper. Need to get enough finish on first to build up enough that it stops saturating the wood. Then I wet sand with WOP and wipe across the grain to help fill pores as I add coats.



Not at all Bob. WOP is nothing like the usual factory polyurethane glossy hard finishes. Not only that, but end results are more like a hand rubbed oil finish. And WOP is easily repaired or touched up like an oil finish should you scratch or ding it.
Steve Durren suggested using Permayln Sealer by Laurel Mountain, as he uses on all stocks, and it's the same thing. I switched to WOP decades ago because it is available locally and cheaper. It also comes in gloss or satin, but I always use gloss as it's easy to knock down, where satin wont buff up.

All of these rifles are WOP finishes:
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