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Probably a dumb question….
Jan 17th, 2025 at 11:25pm
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….and for all I know, I may have asked it before.

Is it possible to line an 1867 Swedish rolling block to .22LR, and have the extractor reworked to function with a cartridge that small?

I realize the firing pin will need to be attended to as well.

Doable? Practical?

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Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 1:15am
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Doable and practical.  Not sure on the specifics of the 1867 swede, but in general the rolling block works excellent with .22 LR.   I have an original #1 .22 RF sporter, and converted another over to .45-90, but kept the original block and extractor to use it with .22.  

One thing with the small cartridge:  Use a flat extractor.  An adaptation for a ballard type extractor would be even better; I think Marlinguy has one or a picture of one that uses a T shaped slot instead of a round one for that type.  

The problem with a rotary extractor is that the cartridge can easily get in front of the extractor.  Then you have to pry it out of the chamber, and get it back behind the extractor.  

My primary .45-90 is a swedish shotgun rebarreled to .45-90.  I have a liner I made for .22 in it; and I just pry the spent cases out with a small screwdriver.  it's fired thousands of .22's.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 11:19am
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The T shaped extractor on my full sized #1 in .22LR is the best setup for .22RF I've ever seen. It has a small pin added to the breech block that catches the T shaped extractor as you open the block and draws the extractor back. Works flawlessly and supports the little cases all the way in and out. Beside the pin added, it just needs a T shape milled at 6 o'clock below the barrel for the extractor to slide into the barrel.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 12:37pm
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Vall, could you post a picture of the extractor setup?  I think that would be great to be able to see how it works.  Thanks!
  
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ssdave wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 12:37pm:
Vall, could you post a picture of the extractor setup?  I think that would be great to be able to see how it works.  Thanks!


I went through my image storage before I replied and didn't see my pics? I'll go through more thoroughly when we get home later and I have more time.
  

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Thought I had more pictures, but this is the only one I had stored. I can break it down and post more if needed?

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Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:51pm
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What about putting  a crossno liner in it? I know the extractor wouldn't work but it will get you around having to modify the breech block.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 7:16pm
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Thanks, Vall,

That is a great photo to illustrate how it works.  I suppose the T slot was cut with a woodruff cutter.  Less possibility of putting a case ahead of the extractor with that design, and pushes the case into the chamber very well aligned.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 7:37pm
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ssdave wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
Thanks, Vall,

That is a great photo to illustrate how it works.  I suppose the T slot was cut with a woodruff cutter.  Less possibility of putting a case ahead of the extractor with that design, and pushes the case into the chamber very well aligned.


Dave, I put this sliding extractor in the #7 I built. It’s driven off a slot cut in the side of the breech block.  Not sure how Vall’s is driven but it’s definitely different, looks centered.  I would guess the front screw on Valls gun retains the extractor just like in the #7.   
Yes, I machined the barrel with Key cutter.   
Greg (gt) is the master at these.
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Reply #9 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 7:59pm
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I ended up with a #5 that someone butchered and a very heavy octagon 22 shot barrel. I have been working on as time permit. Hard to imagine a ten pound gun in 22 short. The barrel is very nice but with a 1 in 20" twist it isn't suited for much ells.
When installing a 22 rf barrel on centerfire rifles I sometimes set the chamber off center at 6 or 12 o'clock so the firing pin does not need to be moved, works good for #1 Rugers.
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 11:32am
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The screw for the sliding extractor on my #1 .22 is just there to fill the hole and doesn't hold the extractor. The breech block had a pin sticking up that retracts the extractor as the block is opened. The extractor itself is made with a short lug on the other end to keep it in place and not allow the extractor to exit it's slot without removing the breech block. 
A really well thought out system, and minimal parts to make it work well. My nephew and his two friends went through several hundred rounds of ammo at deer camp last fall, and loved it. They were shooting bottle caps at 75 yds. off a crude table we setup for them to rest on.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 12:22pm
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Bob, your #7 pretty much copies the original Remington #1 extractor for .22.  

Here's my extractor system for my Swedish shotgun RB, converted to .45-9 with a .22 liner.  Just a tiny groove in the top of the liner face to allow the screwdriver to pry the shell out.  Works excellent, has shot thousands of rounds.

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Here's an original #1 rolling block.  

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And, the breech block and extractor for another #1 RB, that was originally .22 rf, I rebarreled it to .45-90, but kept the original block and extractor to use with .22.  I haven't made a liner for it that will take the extractor, have just used the liner shown for the other rifle instead.  I should make a liner up someday, just for completeness sake.  Only take a couple of hours tops to do.

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I'd love to have a full size dedicated #1 .22 RB.  I hate having nice enough originals that I don't want to alter them.  The one I showed above is too good to put a liner in and use, but useless in it's rebored .25-10 rf configuration now.  A liner would take it back to original .22, but ruin it's history of being sent out as a .22, and later rebored and remarked to .25-10.  

I also have a small bore rolling block shotgun sporter original that I'd love to convert to a .22.  But as essentially the only original #1 sporter shotgun example I've ever seen, I can't make myself part it out.  

I parted out and rebuilt two rf rolling blocks that weren't in as nice a condition years go; I would like to have one now to rebuild as a nice .22.  One is my backup .45-90, that I showed the block above.  The other I traded to Whitey Hanson, and I believe it ended up with Vall as his .40-70.

I have plenty of actions, I think I'll make one up someday into a .22.  I could utilize the original .22 RF block I showed above.  I have a few original sporter actions, could utilize one of them. 
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 1:25pm
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I also own another original #1 Rolling Block rifle in .22LR that was relined at some time in it's life. It was owned by a local Oregon Pioneer who was an early Oregon deputy sheriff in the early 1870's and mayor of Oregon City around WWI. Not a cream puff, but a great shooter, with lots of provenance.
I bought it at one of the old Reno gun shows cheap to get the action for a build, but when I began breaking it down I discovered the owner's name under the forearm stamped in the barrel. A quick internet search lead me to local info, which lead me to the Oregon City Historical Society where they offered me access to 2500 pages in their archives about E.C. Hackett.

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I ended up just fixing the abuse, and leaving it unrestored.

  

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