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Re: Trapdoor Action
Reply #15 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 11:47am
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Boats, It was the Winchester Hotchkiss style butt used on the long range rifles not the Lee.
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:33pm
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Another opportunity to repeat myself.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Donor was a $20 rifle bought as a teenager, modified fifty years later.
Did the work for set triggers and the Soule tang sight requires the tall Shaver front sight.
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Reply #17 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 1:03pm
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The 1873 Springfield Trapdoor is probably the most under appreciated rifle ever. They are very simple and reliable. Parts are readily available. 
In a prior post a few years back, someone suggested putting a 38-55 Barrel on on a trapdoor, but  many members recommended against it due to the higher pressure of the 38-55. 
I have two sporterized trapdoors now and love them, but would consider another if I could get one in a caliber with a little less recoil. 
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Reply #18 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 1:38pm
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I'm in the process of working on a trapdoor now and am trying to decide what stock to use and a couple of you have sent me some pictures of stocks I'm considering. I was thinking about a .40-50 sbn but the original bore is perfect so I'm going to keep it in.l .45 govt. I was also considering .40-65  but the mirror bore talked me out of it.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:04pm
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Charlie I thought about a Hunter style Trapdoor back then. But had a H&R Officers model reproduction and Original unaltered carbine . The H&R was unpleasant to shoot with the 405 Grain carbine load or a 330 gr cast from a Raphine mold. Sold it off 

The carbine did fine 405 G Arsenal style carbine bullet 55 grs 2F Black. Weight difference mostly, stock shape too. It was a very handy capable rifle, no matter what we read about Custers experience would rather have it than a Rimfire Henry.

If I had built the Creedmore style would have gone with new barrel heavier than service rifles . “Bull barrel” 

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Reply #20 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:38pm
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The first springfield traodoors were model 1865s and were in .58 rimfire. The model 1866 were the first in .50-70, which was used up until the 1873 model which was .45-70.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:26pm
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Just for those that may not know, the 1866 50-70 rifles and the 1868 50-70 rifles are two different animals. The 66 used an old barrel sliced open with a trapdoor mechanism screwed to the top of the barrel. The 1868 has a separate action with a new barrel screwed into it. Essentially the 1868 is the same as the 1873 and latter actions except for the caliber. They were made until 1893 when they were replaced by the Krag. Once the arsenal was set up they didn't like to make changes. The screws for the Trapdoor buttplates are the same as those for the 1903 buttplates. The front sight blade for a 1903 Springfield will fit in a Krag or a Trapdoor. If you want to lower where a Trapdoor shoots when using smokeless powder you can replace the blade with a Springfield/Krag blade.
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Reply #22 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 7:30pm
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That's very informative, thank you! Now, where might I find a Springfield/Krag blade?
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 7:44pm
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For a springfield blade try S & S firearms out of Glendale, NY they have a bunch of trapdoor and krag parts and they are on line.
  
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Reply #24 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:33pm
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Tom thanks on the correction Hotchkiss vs the Lee stock you are correct .

Thing that would keep me away from the 38/55 head case is reconfiguring the extractor and ejector.  You can get very good mid range, 200 yards & under, performance with cast 330 gr 45 caliber bullets intended for 45/70 lever action rifles. And still have good long range potential with heavier bullets

Years ago, before easily available single shot reproductions were available, the Fairfax R&G club 200 yard offhand Ram Bash was often won with a Trapdoor. Most used othe 330 gr bullet with pistol powders. From memory my load was 8.4 of W 231 or bit more Unique.

Same gun weight, same stock configuration, same velocity probably no recoil difference 330 gr 38/55 & 330 gr 45/70

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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:20am
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Jeff, S&S is one place but if you google "1903 springfield rifle front sight blade" you'll see about 20 more places.
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 12:49pm
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Thank you!
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 1:02pm
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I had an H&R OM as well. I agree, not fun to shoot.

Have an original, 1885 production cut down to a carbine. 20-1/2" barrel, forearm too short ... if only it was 'real' ...

Bore is really nice. Still toying with the idea of building a Hawken or Gemmer style on it. Where to put it in the line of partial/unstarted projects i already have?
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:28am
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This is my ideal Trap Door but, I never could find a stock maker to do it.

Because it would not need extractor work, I was going to do a 38/56.

45 years ago, or more, a popular, winning load for the 45/70 was 10.3 gr Unique, with a 405 gr bullet. I can attest to it being comfortable and accurate load, as I shot it in my match barreled Borchardt, with many sub 1" groups at 100. It is also, sub sonic.
  

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Reply #29 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:06am
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Pistol powders &. light bullets certainly the way to go most shooting. 

40 odd years ago, before single shot reproductions were available Trapdoors were what we had inexpensive & easily available. Comparing them to other military single shots, similar period, they are more appealing to my eye. Added advantage identical in handling & “Feel” to Muzzle loading Rifled Muskets. Tuning locks & trigger pull exactly the same 

Who remembers Turner Kirkland & Dixie Gun works offering $ 20 for any complete Trapdoor. Set the price for gun show finds. Number of years ago early for a flight out of Nashville drove up to Union City Tenn & visited Dixie. Still there and very large Trapdoor inventory. 

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