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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #30 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:39pm
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Dale, this is the companion rifle to the gun sold on Gunbroker back in August. Obviously owned and built by the same person. I now believe it is a 30-30 x 1 1/2. Is it possible to order a die set from a custom wild cat die maker or is this something I will need to put together myself.

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #31 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 5:04pm
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I bought the Hoch rifle that sold on Gunbrokers on 8/26/24. It said it was a 30-30 1 1/2 inch, which I have dies for a.338 30-30 1 1/2. It was not. It’s a smaller version of a 30 Schwartz. I borrowed a die set and it’s smaller just by a touch. I made a chamber cast and finally squeezed a few down to fire form them. What a pain! Hopefully it will be worth it.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #32 - Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:10am
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Hornady will also make hydraulic forming dies which I found long ago is well worth the cost, saving components and wear on your barrel. In particular if you are forming wildcat cases to be used for  varmint shooting, as you generally need many, many cases. For use in schuetzen the number necessary is minimal which makes the process much simpler, as you can generally cobble the number needed together with oddball dies on hand or easily obtainable. It has been ten or so years since having Hornady make the hydraulic  forming dies, delivery time and current cost you can surely find online.
  

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #33 - Oct 27th, 2024 at 11:00am
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wader4 wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
I bought the Hoch rifle that sold on Gunbrokers on 8/26/24. It said it was a 30-30 1 1/2 inch, which I have dies for a.338 30-30 1 1/2. It was not. It’s a smaller version of a 30 Schwartz. I borrowed a die set and it’s smaller just by a touch. I made a chamber cast and finally squeezed a few down to fire form them. What a pain! Hopefully it will be worth it.


The Schwartz chambers are a straight taper all the way to the rim. What has worked well for me is cutting a 32-40 die off at the appropriate base diameter. Then pressing the case into the die all the way to the rim. You will need a good lube and then knock the case out of the die from above.
  
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Reply #34 - Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:00pm
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wader4, does the image I posted of my chamber cast look like a match to your Hoch .30 Schwartz? If it does look like a match, what die did you use to form your brass? The OAL of my chamber cast is 1.5 inches for the case. It is necked down about 1/2 inch and is .30 caliber. My Hoch was auctioned at RIA the same day that your gun was sold at RIA and I am sure it came from the same consigner. I have gone around the world trying to figure out the caliber as I would love to shoot this gun. If you think that my gun is a .30 Schwartz, I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to buy a piece of brass from you to verify my gun's caliber. 

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P.S. If it sounds like I am desperate, I am. Been looking at that gun for over a year.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #35 - Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:30pm
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For the first few I was able to borrow a full length size die from Wayne Schwartz, and in the mean time ordered a full length die from CH die. Since I had lots of 30-30 once fired brass, I annealed it, and simply ran it into the die and trimmed to length. for virgin brass no need to anneal, but wouldn't hurt. Used Vo5 to lube. If you are going to form a large number, I would use one of the spray size lubes or make your own. Formula for that on internet.
  

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #36 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 10:10am
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A photo of my chamber casting, a fire formed case, and a .338 30-30 1 1/2
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #37 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 10:14am
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I do believe my chamber is the .30-78 single shot. I do have the dies for the .338 and I could try and squeeze one down to 30 cal to see if it will fit in your chamber.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #38 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 10:16am
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The Schwartz is a different beast all together. I did use the dies to help make my cartridge, along with many others.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #39 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 5:10pm
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Wader4, I believe that both of our rifles came from the same owner, both sold at RIA 6/23, however, looking at the image of your chamber cast, I think the rifles are two different calibers. If your .338 30-30 1 1/2 brass was necked down another 1/4 inch, I might be in the ball park. There is a image of my chamber cast next to a 32-40 piece of brass on page 1 of this thread and there is a image of my chamber cast next to a .30 Herrett round on page 2 of this thread. Is the .338 30-30 1 1/2 the same as the 30 Schwartz? I would love to shoot this gun as it was built to be used, however, at this point I might just need a recommendation for a gunsmith to rebore/chamber to a 30-30.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #40 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 6:01pm
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Bigbore6969, if the overall length of your case is 1 1/2 inches, I might be able to neck down one of my .338 30-30’s to make it fit. 
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #41 - Oct 31st, 2024 at 11:12pm
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I would greatly appreciate your kindness to do so. Please let me pay you for your time and effort. Yes, the overall length is 1 1/2 inches and it is necked down 1/2 inch.

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Dennis Weinman
8707 Rogers Park Ave.
Cordova, TN 38016

email, dennisweinman@yahoo.com

  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #42 - Nov 1st, 2024 at 12:08am
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I hope this isn't a dumb question and maybe I have missed it somewhere but were either of the rifles marked for caliber? Just asking...



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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #43 - Nov 1st, 2024 at 11:08am
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Mine has no markings at all. I was hoping there was something under the forearm but there wasn’t.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #44 - Nov 1st, 2024 at 11:14am
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Bigbore6969 I sent you a PM.
  
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