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Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2024 at 10:44pm
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Thanks for the advice. 

This gun was sold at Rock Island Auction on 6/23/23, lot # 1209.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2024 at 11:07pm
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Nice looking rifle, worth the effort to get it shooting.

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Reply #17 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 12:15am
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I fail to see a chamber cast. I have a 30 Schwartz, they shoot quite well, and easy to form brass, both chambered with Wayne's kindly borrowed reamer. This close to thirty years ago. An added benefit is a large number of 30 caliber moulds available at reasonable prices. Mine are the version based on the 30-30 parent. A favorite bullet is the old Pope 308403.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 12:18pm
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rkba2nd wrote on Aug 24th, 2024 at 12:15am:
I fail to see a chamber cast. I have a 30 Schwartz, they shoot quite well, and easy to form brass, both chambered with Wayne's kindly borrowed reamer. This close to thirty years ago. An added benefit is a large number of 30 caliber moulds available at reasonable prices. Mine are the version based on the 30-30 parent. A favorite bullet is the old Pope 308403.

Posts 10&11 next to a 30 Herriot. Cropped photo below.


I have a barrel in both the 30-30 based cartridge and the 357 Max. The 357 Max is almost indistinguishable from a 30-30 Wesson. 


  
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Reply #19 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 1:20pm
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My Hoch has only been a 30 caliber rifle. 

First in 32/35 Stevens/Maynard,with a Douglas barrel. Then re-barreled to a RKS in 30/30 Wesson (big forearm).

The butt stock shape is kinda curious to me. I designed my stock to have all the drop I could get. My draw bolt is just under the top of the butt plate but, it looks like on the OP's stock it has more drop than mine. I don't know how it could, w/o changing the angle of the draw bolt. Maybe it's just the different angle of the butt plate.
  

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Reply #20 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 2:24pm
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Sorry frnkeore and Dellet, to my failing eyes the chamber cast looked like nickel plated brass. It is certainly not a 30 Schwartz based on a 30-30 case.
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 2:45pm
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The chamber cast is the silver colored cast to the right side of the 30 Herrett round, unless I am confused as to what a chamber cast consist of.

So if I understand the advice so far, can I get a 30-30 reloading die set. Use 30-30 brass, cut off 1/2  inch more or less, then work the brass down to where I have a 1/2 inch neck. Then if the brass is a relatively close fit, I can then fire from the brass by using a wad to keep the powder in the case.
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #22 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 4:10pm
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Bigbore6969 wrote on Aug 24th, 2024 at 2:45pm:
The chamber cast is the silver colored cast to the right side of the 30 Herrett round, unless I am confused as to what a chamber cast consist of.

So if I understand the advice so far, can I get a 30-30 reloading die set. Use 30-30 brass, cut off 1/2  inch more or less, then work the brass down to where I have a 1/2 inch neck. Then if the brass is a relatively close fit, I can then fire from the brass by using a wad to keep the powder in the case.

Loosely based on a photo of the cast. That might work.

Knowing the diameter at the transition to the shoulder would help answer that question. You want to compare the top half of a 30-30 to your casting.

Here’s a 30-30 case measurements, most loading manuals would have the same info.

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #23 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 5:15pm
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You actually have to go by the chamber dimensions.

By SAAMI specs, the neck is .505 long rounded

The length of the shoulder is .124 rounded

The shoulder starts 1.455 from the back side of the rim and that diameter is .403

Or .629, from the front of the neck to the start of the .403 shoulder 

The tapper per inch of the body is .0146

If your total case length is 1.500, you subtract .629 form 1.500 = .871 from shoulder to the back side of the rim, of that, you can subtract ~.066, for the rim, itself, leaving .805 of body tapper

.805 x .0146 (body taper)= .012, rounded. Add that to the .403 shoulder and you need the case to be no larger than .415

The good news is that most 30/30 cases that I've measured, have a solid case head diameter of .416 so, you may only have to polish of 1 or 2 thousands to get the die to size w/o to much effort.

As I said, the chamber cast looks like the chamber may have been open a little for the final fit. 

By my calculations, you would need to take .584 off the std 30/30 die, to get where you need to be and then polish it .002 larger, for about .200, inside the die.
  

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #24 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 10:59am
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Just asking; is there any reason not to run a 30 Herrett reamer and move forward?
  
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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #25 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 7:41pm
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Or for that matter re-chamber to .30-30? No moss grows on a .30-30 for cast bullet shooting.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 12:17pm
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If you can at least get three fire formed cases   Hornady will build a custom set of forming dies for $100 per die...FL,seating,flare die,whatever.  In Making the 32-357 case AKA A modern 32 Ideal. I cut off a Lee 32-40 die ,used A die from the reamer,etc. What a pain. But will now have a set of forming dies in the next couple months.  Thats the game playing with a wildcat cartridge......
  

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #27 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 10:43am
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Consider the dimensions of the 7mm International Rimmed for forming the 30-30 to 7mm.
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Does anyone have the dimensions POPE used?
  

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #28 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 12:34pm
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Lee will make a custom set of dies.  You need 5 fired cases, 3 sample projectiles, a $250 setup fee, and $59 for a 3 die set or $26 for the sizing die only.  They’ll wave the setup fee if you order 25 sets.

I’ve had them make custom dies for wildcat calibers and the dies are good quality.  It’s a little easier on the wallet if you can convince 25 friends that they also need to adopt the same caliber.  Grin

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Re: Help with forming brass for a 30 caliber Wildcat
Reply #29 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:46pm
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I went with Hornady over Lee...a little cheaper.Needed only the FL die and a seater for fixed if I want to. That was $200.00 there about.
  

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